Re: Foles or Trubisky?

by OSUBucks Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:01 pm

This is pretty brutal. Look at the drop off to the last two teams. The Bear D has been worn down.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

by dusty7 Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:46 pm

The so called elite defense this year has underperformed and this is not just because of the lack of offense. Last week without Hicks teams could easily focus on Mack. Trevathan and Smith are solid but not good enough right now. Secondary shows glimpses of being great.

Sitting here watching the Broncos slowing down the Chiefs which shows how important Fangio was. I think teams have just figured out the scheme and know how to exploit the weak spots. The offense definitely provided enough spark today but the defense straight up sucked.

by Head Idiot Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:51 pm

Don't disagree about Fangio, but this defense carried them for half the season. I can't blame them for having a bad game a couple of weeks.

Trevathian's regression has been the biggest problem outside the loss of Hicks.

by Head Idiot Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:56 pm

Tyreek Hill. Douchebag.

That is all.

by dusty7 Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:01 am

Head Idiot wrote:Don't disagree about Fangio, but this defense carried them for half the season. I can't blame them for having a bad game a couple of weeks.

Trevathian's regression has been the biggest problem outside the loss of Hicks.

I don't disagree at all but if they are an "elite" defense as many say they are, you don't give up points like you have the past few weeks and it's only going to get worse here on out. They have quit playing not only for Navy but for each other and every coach on the the staff.

by Head Idiot Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:28 am

dusty7 wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:Don't disagree about Fangio, but this defense carried them for half the season. I can't blame them for having a bad game a couple of weeks.

Trevathian's regression has been the biggest problem outside the loss of Hicks.

I don't disagree at all but if they are an "elite" defense as many say they are, you don't give up points like you have the past few weeks and it's only going to get worse here on out. They have quit playing not only for Navy but for each other and every coach on the the staff.

Was going to disagree vehemently about the elite defense, but you explained what is going on at the end exactly how I would explain it. I also don't think they ever really got into Pagano. They have lacked any semblance of the edge and swagger they had under Fangio. They had it a few games this year- particularly Tampa Bay- but overall they've been solid, but not fearsome. That 18 group was a force of nature.

by Head Idiot Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:49 am

They’re 13-15 since going 12-4 in Nagy’s first season with the team and he was asked why things have gone south.

“I don’t know,” Nagy said, via Jason Lieser of the Chicago Sun-Times.

by Bighitter11 Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:50 am

Head Idiot wrote:
Bighitter11 wrote: Fire the front office though.
Now I'm curious.

Do you not think the coaches should be gone too?

Oh Nagy has to go to absolutely. I will say overall I really like what I have seen out of Lazor calling the offense. He is doing things to make Mitch successful. Ill continue to watch that as the rest of the year plays out.

by lefty120 Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:29 pm

I think Pace and Nagy will both be gone at the end of the season. Pace has overseen 6 seasons, 2 HC's, and only 1 winning season. In today's NFL, that's not good enough.

Unless something goes completely different these last 4 weeks, I'm not sure there's been a bigger free agency bust for the Bears than Robert Quinn. Watching him on a down to down basis (when he's actually in for more than 1 play at a time), his effort is awful. There may have been guys who were equally unproductive, but not at the huge cost and salary cap hit he is. Between him, Foles, and Mack, they have completely tied the hands of this organization financially and none of those guys is going anywhere next year.

by newcom Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:51 pm

Who is Robert Quinn? Seriously, I do not remember him at all and I have seen all or most the gems except 1.

by dusty7 Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:17 pm

lefty120 wrote:I think Pace and Nagy will both be gone at the end of the season. Pace has overseen 6 seasons, 2 HC's, and only 1 winning season. In today's NFL, that's not good enough.

Unless something goes completely different these last 4 weeks, I'm not sure there's been a bigger free agency bust for the Bears than Robert Quinn. Watching him on a down to down basis (when he's actually in for more than 1 play at a time), his effort is awful. There may have been guys who were equally unproductive, but not at the huge cost and salary cap hit he is. Between him, Foles, and Mack, they have completely tied the hands of this organization financially and none of those guys is going anywhere next year.

You touch on a great point with Quinn. I know we are talking about professional athletes and many have a "win at all costs" mentality but after they get their contract, it seems like some players dial it in and quit giving the same effort. Of course this is not a 100% of players but it seems to happen more in today's NFL.

The Bears have a good core of young defensive players along with Mooney (who has been a surprise) and maybe a couple of young linemen who can still be developed. Progress can be made quickly in the NFL (1-2 years) if you keep the right guys and make the right personnel moves. Something I am not confident the Bears will do.

I heard this on Kap and Hood on my way to work this morning, combined Hicks and Mack contract combined is $212 million? That is a lot of money to spend on edge rushers it is infact the correct number.

by lefty120 Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:35 pm

Quinn...5 years, $70 mil...$30 mill guaranteed. Enough said. Hicks is the only one of that group that's remotely worth the money and draft capital spent on him. I hope you're right about the 1-2 year turn around; it just seems like they're an awfully long way away right now.

by lefty120 Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:37 pm

newcom wrote:Who is Robert Quinn? Seriously, I do not remember him at all and I have seen all or most the gems except 1.

They let Leonard Floyd walk last off season, which I agreed with at the time, and signed Quinn as a free agent from the Cowboys to compliment Mack as an edge rusher opposite. He's played sparingly, can't stop the run when he's in on run downs so he rarely plays on 1st or 2nd down in regular situations, and is a non factor in pass rush situations. Strip sacked Daniel Jones week 2 in his first play of the season...crickets since. And when you really watch him...it's embarrassing.

by Bighitter11 Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:25 am

They are stuck with Quinn for atleast one more year the good news is in 2022 they can let him go after June 1st and save 12.9 Million with only 3 Million hit in dead money over those next 3 season.

by general maximus Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:14 pm

It is crazy to think that a team (not just the Bears) is completely frozen by the cap numbers and guaranteed contracts. This trend seems to only be getting worse.

by Bighitter11 Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:47 pm

The Indianapolis Colts have alot of Money invested in the QB positions this year.

56.3 Million

25,000,000 - Phillip Rivers
21,375,000 - Jacoby Brisette
6,400,000 - Andrew Luck
2,950,000 - Brian Hoyer
610,000 - Jacob Eason

by dusty7 Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:42 pm

Bighitter11 wrote:The Indianapolis Colts have alot of Money invested in the QB positions this year.

56.3 Million

25,000,000 - Phillip Rivers
21,375,000 - Jacoby Brisette
6,400,000 - Andrew Luck
2,950,000 - Brian Hoyer
610,000 - Jacob Eason

Wow, and they are 8-4 with enough money left over for one of the league's top defenses.

by Bighitter11 Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:19 pm

dusty7 wrote:
Bighitter11 wrote:The Indianapolis Colts have alot of Money invested in the QB positions this year.

56.3 Million

25,000,000 - Phillip Rivers
21,375,000 - Jacoby Brisette
6,400,000 - Andrew Luck
2,950,000 - Brian Hoyer
610,000 - Jacob Eason

Wow, and they are 8-4 with enough money left over for one of the league's top defenses.

Got quite a bit of their offensive pieces on the cheap

WR - Pittman 610,000
WR - Johnson 582,000
TE - Burton 737,000
TE - Allie-Cox - 750,000
RB - Taylor - 1,423,000
RT - Smith -1,900,000

3 Starting Linebackers a Combined 5 Million

3 Leading Rushers Under Combined 5 Million

The production they have got out of these guys and at the price is incredible.

by dusty7 Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:48 pm

Bighitter11 wrote:
dusty7 wrote:
Bighitter11 wrote:The Indianapolis Colts have alot of Money invested in the QB positions this year.

56.3 Million

25,000,000 - Phillip Rivers
21,375,000 - Jacoby Brisette
6,400,000 - Andrew Luck
2,950,000 - Brian Hoyer
610,000 - Jacob Eason

Wow, and they are 8-4 with enough money left over for one of the league's top defenses.

Got quite a bit of their offensive pieces on the cheap

WR - Pittman 610,000
WR - Johnson 582,000
TE - Burton 737,000
TE - Allie-Cox - 750,000
RB - Taylor - 1,423,000
RT - Smith -1,900,000

3 Starting Linebackers a Combined 5 Million

3 Leading Rushers Under Combined 5 Million

The production they have got out of these guys and at the price is incredible.

Maybe the Bears should take lesson from the Colts on scouting

by lefty120 Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:00 pm

I'm not sure of where most of the Colts players have come from, but those numbers are impressive. 2 things come to mind...1. The importance of competent QB play in the NFL is paramount...and 2. The Bears have gotten stuck in this buy to win cycle in free agency because they have failed numerous times to develop talent.

by Bighitter11 Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:33 pm

The Funny thing is the Colts current GM Chris Ballard used to work for the Bears and I think was passed over for Ryan Pace. Teams that Scout and draft well or can develop draft picks are going to be successful because they have control over that talent at a bargain price for good 4 to 5 years usually. If you miss on a draft pick your having to spend to fill that void and for a number of reasons it doesnt always work.

by Head Idiot Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:34 pm

I was this many years old when I learned Manti Te'o is on the Bears this year.

by dusty7 Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:38 am

An interesting take here. What if the Bears fire Phillips, move Pace to President, and hire someone new for GM?

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears-rumors/could-the-chicago-bears-pull-a-john-paxson-with-ryan-pace/

by lefty120 Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:37 am

Honestly, I'd be okay with that. I think we should be more focused with on field coaching and draft pick selection, not the cap right now. There are a ton of teams that are going to be in bad cap position this off season with the overall number going down. Brad Biggs has eluded to that several times this season. He is the main beat writer in the Trib. and he's pretty sharp. His position, and I tend to agree with it, is the fact that they've overspent for under production in Mack and Quinn, and have missed horribly for decades at the QB position. Until they get the QB position figured out, nothing else matters.

QB I'm most intrigued by, and I may get roasted for saying this, is the Book kid from Sally N D. He's gotten better and better every year; he moves well, can make all the throws, and has played on a big stage. Plus, he's been their starter for 3 years in a pro style offense. I'm not a big fan of the BYU kid, the Alabama kid, Florida kid, or Fields which I've previously stated in another thread. The first 3 all look good right now, but I really question their arm strength and ability to accurately make all the throws an NFL QB has to make.

by lefty120 Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:38 am

Head Idiot wrote:I was this many years old when I learned Manti Te'o is on the Bears this year.

Signed him to the practice squad several weeks ago...hasn't ever been active. And he has COVID now so there's that...probably got it from his girlfriend... Very Happy

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