Re: Coronavirus IV

by wolverine55 Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:43 pm

ramblinman wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/americas/peru-lockdown-second-wave-intl/index.html

Wait, what?

I thought lockdowns were a politically motivated U.S. thing only. Or perhaps all these other countries that are in lockdown mode are all doing it for political purposes just like I'm hearing is the case in the blue states only. Did it ever occur to any of you that red states not under lockdown are that way for political purposes as well?

I can't answer for everyone, but yes it has occurred to me states not under lockdown are that way for largely political reasons. That's why it's a good thing many Americans are questioning things right now and not just blindly following what our government leaders are telling us what to do. If nothing else, it's only confirmed what has been mentioned on here several times: no politician actually gives two phucks about the common, every day citizen and not many if any of the decisions made since last March have actually been made with our benefit in mind.

by tps Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:03 pm

‘It’s a mess’: Biden’s first 10 days dominated by vaccine mysteries
biden's reply - c'mon man, gimme a break

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953

by tps Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:06 pm

Teetime wrote:
dusty7 wrote:And the left wants people to celebrate Cuomo's response to COVID
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/28/covid-deaths-ny-nursing-homes-undercounted-ag-tish-james/4292424001/

I read that article and I don't see where it says that "the left wants people to celebrate Cuomo's response to COVID"

I'm on the left, I certainly don't want that, the NYS Attorney General is on the left, I doubt she wants that. In fact, the article says this:

"The findings were seized on by a bipartisan group of state and federal lawmakers, many of who had for months railed against how Cuomo handled the virus' spread in nursing homes."

fauci liked cuomo's response.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anthony-fauci-praises-new-york-coronavirus-response
i think fauci qualifies as a lefty

by tps Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:30 pm

Head Idiot wrote:Not that we haven't been making shit up the whole time, but this one's pretty incredible-
Fauci said it is 'common sense' to wear 2 masks to stop the spread of COVID-19. Here's how to do it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-wearing-2-masks-more-effective-at-stopping-covid-19-2021-1

No data for 2 masks.

https://twitter.com/TheEliKlein/status/1355991619225448450?s=19

by Head Idiot Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:58 pm

tps wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:Not that we haven't been making shit up the whole time, but this one's pretty incredible-
Fauci said it is 'common sense' to wear 2 masks to stop the spread of COVID-19. Here's how to do it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-wearing-2-masks-more-effective-at-stopping-covid-19-2021-1

No data for 2 masks.

https://twitter.com/TheEliKlein/status/1355991619225448450?s=19

In covering this the media would call this "walking back comments" if they were a Democrat.

If it were a Republican it would be "scrambling to cover up made up lies".

by dusty7 Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:11 pm

Part of me wonders why everyone seems to listen to this guy's every word when he has flips and flops almost every statement he makes.

Part of me thinks this is totally stupid because common sense says 2 masks would be better than 1, do we need a science to tell us that?

What was once trusted, science and data, has been compromised with politics. Who do you trust when you can't trust your government and you can't trust science?

by Teetime Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:01 pm

So I don't understand why this is a controversy at all.

He said it was common sense, he didn't say there was scientific evidence to back it up. Just common sense.

Then he said there was no scientific evidence and everyone here says he is walking back his comments. I disagree. It is common sense, three masks are probably better and four even better.

At some point you probably can't breathe and that would be worse.

by dusty7 Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:19 pm

Teetime wrote:So I don't understand why this is a controversy at all.

He said it was common sense, he didn't say there was scientific evidence to back it up. Just common sense.

Then he said there was no scientific evidence and everyone here says he is walking back his comments. I disagree. It is common sense, three masks are probably better and four even better.

At some point you probably can't breathe and that would be worse.

As I said, no idea why this is even a thing in the media. I think it is because last week he said it was "common sense" and he comes out yesterday saying "there is no scientific proof it works." By his second statement, it makes some people immediately discount his first comment because it is not science based and it's coming from the man that says "trust the science."

by dusty7 Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:38 pm

Covid vaccines exceeds total vaccine cases.

https://finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/49-9-mln-doses-covid-201024904.html

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/index.html#datatracker-home

by Head Idiot Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:56 pm

tps wrote:‘It’s a mess’: Biden’s first 10 days dominated by vaccine mysteries
biden's reply - c'mon man, gimme a break

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953

Joe learned well from Barack-
https://news.yahoo.com/bidens-covid-response-team-scrambling-211232310.html

by OSUBucks Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:02 pm

The Democrat and Republican Covid Relief Plans seem to be miles apart. I know Biden said that he’d like to strike a deal but I’m not optimistic that the Republicans will meet him halfway. The progressive wing of the Democrats are already talking Reconciliation, so that they won’t require Republican votes. It figures to be an interesting week.

by dusty7 Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:18 am

Maybe 2 masks is not common sense...from Ramblins expert Osterholm from Meet the Press
..https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-january-31-2021-n1256299

DR. MICHAEL OSTERHOLM:

Well, when we talk about double masking, remember, what we're really talking about is just trying to prevent the virus from being excreted by me into the air or me inhaling the virus from someone else in the air. And it's both a function of face fit and face filtration. Think about your swim goggles. When's the last time anybody leaked at the lenses? They leak at the, at the fit. And so what we're concerned about is that many of these face cloth coverings do have already compromised fit or filtration capacity. If you add on another mask, you may actually make it tougher for the air to move through the two cloth area, and then at that point, it causes more air to actually leak around the sides, which actually enhances your ability to get infected. So I'm not saying that some couldn't be used in a better way. But at the same time, there are many that actually, you may do more harm.

by ramblinman Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:25 am

Head Idiot wrote:
tps wrote:‘It’s a mess’: Biden’s first 10 days dominated by vaccine mysteries
biden's reply - c'mon man, gimme a break

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953
Joe learned well from Barack-
https://news.yahoo.com/bidens-covid-response-team-scrambling-211232310.html

The only thing Biden could count on from his immediate predecessor was to obstruct a smooth transition. Don't you think if there had be the usual amount cooperation in terms of looping in Biden's transition team, that things might be just a little different?

Former CDC director Tom Frieden about the Trump administration: “It is really striking, not only did the current administration completely bungle the response to Covid but they also really obstructed a smooth transition so even though there is a lot of good work that has gone on that work is very difficult to continue in an environment where there isn’t free and open sharing of information."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/final-transition-days-biden-team-get-access-critical-covid-vaccine-n1254275

by Head Idiot Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:49 am

ramblinman wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
tps wrote:‘It’s a mess’: Biden’s first 10 days dominated by vaccine mysteries
biden's reply - c'mon man, gimme a break

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953
Joe learned well from Barack-
https://news.yahoo.com/bidens-covid-response-team-scrambling-211232310.html

The only thing Biden could count on from his immediate predecessor was to obstruct a smooth transition. Don't you think if there had be the usual amount cooperation in terms of looping in Biden's transition team, that things might be just a little different?

Former CDC director Tom Frieden about the Trump administration: “It is really striking, not only did the current administration completely bungle the response to Covid but they also really obstructed a smooth transition so even though there is a lot of good work that has gone on that work is very difficult to continue in an environment where there isn’t free and open sharing of information."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/final-transition-days-biden-team-get-access-critical-covid-vaccine-n1254275

No. I don't think it would be any different. Any difficulty they had for the next 4 years would still be blamed on Trump. Just like Obama did on Bush. That was my point.

by dusty7 Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:16 am

Head Idiot wrote:
ramblinman wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
tps wrote:‘It’s a mess’: Biden’s first 10 days dominated by vaccine mysteries
biden's reply - c'mon man, gimme a break

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953
Joe learned well from Barack-
https://news.yahoo.com/bidens-covid-response-team-scrambling-211232310.html

The only thing Biden could count on from his immediate predecessor was to obstruct a smooth transition. Don't you think if there had be the usual amount cooperation in terms of looping in Biden's transition team, that things might be just a little different?

Former CDC director Tom Frieden about the Trump administration: “It is really striking, not only did the current administration completely bungle the response to Covid but they also really obstructed a smooth transition so even though there is a lot of good work that has gone on that work is very difficult to continue in an environment where there isn’t free and open sharing of information."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/final-transition-days-biden-team-get-access-critical-covid-vaccine-n1254275
No. I don't think it would be any different. Any difficulty they had for the next 4 years would still be blamed on Trump. Just like Obama did on Bush. That was my point.

Once again, it just shows how politics has influenced the decision making throughout this entire pandemic. Even the expert epidemiologists Fauci and Osterholm have made political statements how what should be done and they have a right to express their political views, I have no issue with that, but when the politics gets mixed in with science is where I have an issue.

Osterholm is on the record saying we are in for a dark winter and that we haven't seen the worst and he is also on record saying how important the new COVID relief bill is how it needs to be passed immediately. I have to question his motive, is he using the fear of an increase in cases to increase the urgency of the relief bill? I'm not saying he is necessarily doing this but it is just an example of politics and science getting mixed together.

by ramblinman Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:34 am

Head Idiot wrote:
ramblinman wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
tps wrote:‘It’s a mess’: Biden’s first 10 days dominated by vaccine mysteries
biden's reply - c'mon man, gimme a break

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953
Joe learned well from Barack-
https://news.yahoo.com/bidens-covid-response-team-scrambling-211232310.html

The only thing Biden could count on from his immediate predecessor was to obstruct a smooth transition. Don't you think if there had be the usual amount cooperation in terms of looping in Biden's transition team, that things might be just a little different?

Former CDC director Tom Frieden about the Trump administration: “It is really striking, not only did the current administration completely bungle the response to Covid but they also really obstructed a smooth transition so even though there is a lot of good work that has gone on that work is very difficult to continue in an environment where there isn’t free and open sharing of information."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/final-transition-days-biden-team-get-access-critical-covid-vaccine-n1254275
No. I don't think it would be any different. Any difficulty they had for the next 4 years would still be blamed on Trump. Just like Obama did on Bush. That was my point.

[url=https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38997073]https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38997073[/url]

by ramblinman Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:44 am

dusty7 wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
ramblinman wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
tps wrote:‘It’s a mess’: Biden’s first 10 days dominated by vaccine mysteries
biden's reply - c'mon man, gimme a break

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953
Joe learned well from Barack-
https://news.yahoo.com/bidens-covid-response-team-scrambling-211232310.html

The only thing Biden could count on from his immediate predecessor was to obstruct a smooth transition. Don't you think if there had be the usual amount cooperation in terms of looping in Biden's transition team, that things might be just a little different?

Former CDC director Tom Frieden about the Trump administration: “It is really striking, not only did the current administration completely bungle the response to Covid but they also really obstructed a smooth transition so even though there is a lot of good work that has gone on that work is very difficult to continue in an environment where there isn’t free and open sharing of information."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/final-transition-days-biden-team-get-access-critical-covid-vaccine-n1254275
No. I don't think it would be any different. Any difficulty they had for the next 4 years would still be blamed on Trump. Just like Obama did on Bush. That was my point.

Once again, it just shows how politics has influenced the decision making throughout this entire pandemic. Even the expert epidemiologists Fauci and Osterholm have made political statements how what should be done and they have a right to express their political views, I have no issue with that, but when the politics gets mixed in with science is where I have an issue.

Osterholm is on the record saying we are in for a dark winter and that we haven't seen the worst and he is also on record saying how important the new COVID relief bill is how it needs to be passed immediately. I have to question his motive, is he using the fear of an increase in cases to increase the urgency of the relief bill? I'm not saying he is necessarily doing this but it is just an example of politics and science getting mixed together.

I understand what you are saying, but sometimes you can't avoid it. In Osterholm's case, there are many billions of dollars in that bill for COVID testing and vaccine programs that he obviously thinks are important. If his predictions about an increase in cases due to these new variants comes true, and he had stayed silent about it, then second guessers would cast doubt on him because he didn't warn us about the increase.

by Head Idiot Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:04 pm

Lightfoot didn’t invoke the name of the nation’s 45th president but she suggested the ongoing impasse between Chicago Public Schools and CTU, over whether it is safe to return to in-person instruction as early as Thursday, stems from the failed vaccine rollout under former President Donald Trump.

“This is a very difficult situation and we’re in it, still, because of the incompetence of the previous administration."

https://herald-review.com/news/state-and-regional/mayor-lori-lightfoot-blames-trump-administration-for-impasse-between-chicago-public-schools-and-teachers-union/article_c48a8930-3a5d-597a-bd4b-45ca335d1fc9.html

by ramblinman Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:16 pm

Head Idiot wrote:
Lightfoot didn’t invoke the name of the nation’s 45th president but she suggested the ongoing impasse between Chicago Public Schools and CTU, over whether it is safe to return to in-person instruction as early as Thursday, stems from the failed vaccine rollout under former President Donald Trump.

“This is a very difficult situation and we’re in it, still, because of the incompetence of the previous administration."
https://herald-review.com/news/state-and-regional/mayor-lori-lightfoot-blames-trump-administration-for-impasse-between-chicago-public-schools-and-teachers-union/article_c48a8930-3a5d-597a-bd4b-45ca335d1fc9.html

Plays well in Chicago.

by Head Idiot Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:33 pm

ramblinman wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
Lightfoot didn’t invoke the name of the nation’s 45th president but she suggested the ongoing impasse between Chicago Public Schools and CTU, over whether it is safe to return to in-person instruction as early as Thursday, stems from the failed vaccine rollout under former President Donald Trump.

“This is a very difficult situation and we’re in it, still, because of the incompetence of the previous administration."
https://herald-review.com/news/state-and-regional/mayor-lori-lightfoot-blames-trump-administration-for-impasse-between-chicago-public-schools-and-teachers-union/article_c48a8930-3a5d-597a-bd4b-45ca335d1fc9.html

Plays well in Chicago.

I don't think she's playing so well in Chicago right now herself.

by dusty7 Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:28 pm

This is about right...
https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/01/stanford-doctor-covid-lockdowns-were-an-overreaction-to-protect-the-rich/

“The lockdowns have been an enormous and ineffective overreaction, not actually protecting the population from COVID. While at the same time, the collateral damage is absolutely devastating,” he continued. “It’s an unfocused overreaction. … We just should have focused on the population we knew to be at risk, protected them, thought of creative ways to protect them from the beginning of the epidemic. … And for the rest of the population, the lockdown, we should have been thinking about the collateral damage from the very beginning.”

by Head Idiot Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:44 pm

dusty7 wrote:This is about right...
https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/01/stanford-doctor-covid-lockdowns-were-an-overreaction-to-protect-the-rich/

“The lockdowns have been an enormous and ineffective overreaction, not actually protecting the population from COVID. While at the same time, the collateral damage is absolutely devastating,” he continued. “It’s an unfocused overreaction. … We just should have focused on the population we knew to be at risk, protected them, thought of creative ways to protect them from the beginning of the epidemic. … And for the rest of the population, the lockdown, we should have been thinking about the collateral damage from the very beginning.”

But, but, but, Republicans are the party that caters to the rich and they were against lockdowns.

This man is obviously an idiot...

by Head Idiot Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:00 pm

Pssst-

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/07/opinion/how-did-the-democrats-become-favorites-of-the-rich.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8900189/Bernie-Sanders-says-Democratic-Party-party-coastal-elites.html

https://reason.com/2018/11/12/are-democrats-now-the-party-of-the-rich/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/27/business/economy/republican-party-voters-income.html

by Head Idiot Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:06 pm

https://herald-review.com/news/state-and-regional/united-airlines-ceo-lays-out-his-case-for-mandatory-employee-vaccines/article_ee0b288b-518f-58ee-be77-b43a197ece7f.html

by Head Idiot Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:20 pm

Head Idiot wrote:
dusty7 wrote:And the left wants people to celebrate Cuomo's response to COVID
He currently has a best selling book on leadership...

On Monday, the New York Times reported at least nine senior state health officials have resigned from their positions, including the medical director in the division of epidemiology.

As vaccines began expiring in healthcare facility refrigerators, Cuomo's staff seemed more concerned with continuing his longtime feud with fellow Democrat Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York City. As the mayor's staff pleaded for the state to loosen its strict vaccination requirements, Cuomo refused to budge.

Cuomo relented the next day, just two days after he stepped in to nix the city's plan to vaccinate 25,000 police officers.

The vaccine fiasco appears to be due to Cuomo's obsession with micromanaging and a suspicion of civil servants who disagree with his policies. Despite the state readying a vaccine distribution strategy for years, Cuomo shelved that plan in favor of one that outsourced the process to hospital systems.

James's report found: “Preliminary data obtained by [the Office of the Attorney General] suggests that many New York nursing home residents died from Covid-19 in hospitals after being transferred from their nursing homes, which is not reflected in DOH published total nursing home death data.”

Cuomo, with assistance from New York City leaders, oversaw the creation of a $52 million temporary hospital at the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center in Queens that ultimately only treated 79 patients. Doctors working at the pop-up hospital, which was closed down after just over a month, were compensated as much as $732 an hour.

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