Joe Biden Innocent or Not Guilty

Biden hasn't even been elected yet and the GOP is hell bent on investigating him. If Trump does leave office in January that doesn't mean Democrats will stop investigating him. If the Democrats win the Presidency and the Senate they are going to continue to want to find out what's in Trump's tax returns that he has refused to disclose. It's just endless investigations and to hell with the American people.

OSUBucks wrote: and to hell with the American people.

I take it you're new to American government?

Head Idiot wrote:

OSUBucks wrote: and to hell with the American people.

I take it you're new to American government?

It wasn't this bad when Reagan was President. There was some compromise then and they actually got some things done. I think things began to get more partisan during the Clinton Presidency and it's stayed that way.

OSUBucks wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:

OSUBucks wrote: and to hell with the American people.

I take it you're new to American government?

It wasn't this bad when Reagan was President. There was some compromise then and they actually got some things done. I think things began to get more partisan during the Clinton Presidency and it's stayed that way.

I was 4-12 during the Reagan presidency.

There also wasn't as big a fortune to be made selling America to foreign interests then.

I think what you're seeing now is a proxy war between the Chinese and Russians being fought in American politics with politicians on each side doing the bidding of whatever faction is paying them or their party the best.

Head Idiot wrote:. It also means his little video bragging about getting the prosecutor in the Ukraine fired (who happened to be trying to investigate Burisma- you know, his son's new employer) was potentially using US funds as quid pro quo for personal favors. You know, the thing they impeached Trump for.

That Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't investigating anything. That was the problem. Everyone wanted him out in order to get a real prosecutor in there.

OSUBucks wrote:Biden hasn't even been elected yet and the GOP is hell bent on investigating him.

This is all about being behind in the polls, after the election there won't be any investigation urgency from the Republicans

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:. It also means his little video bragging about getting the prosecutor in the Ukraine fired (who happened to be trying to investigate Burisma- you know, his son's new employer) was potentially using US funds as quid pro quo for personal favors. You know, the thing they impeached Trump for.

That Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't investigating anything. That was the problem. Everyone wanted him out in order to get a real prosecutor in there.

And what happened to that investigation after the firing?

Head Idiot wrote:So, we spent 3 1/2 years and millions of dollars going down the rabbit hole of Russian collusion which was based on Russian misinformation obtained from Russian spies, but this shouldn't warrant an interest or investigation? Is that what you're saying Tee?

I'm saying that the Mueller investigation was warranted. Read the report.

I'm saying Trump was guilty of holding the arms approved for Ukraine until he got the promise of an investigation into Hunter Biden.

I'm saying that this is the flimsiest of "evidence" of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden. It really isn't evidence of anything as it relates to Joe Biden.

You see the difference there?

Head Idiot wrote:

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:. It also means his little video bragging about getting the prosecutor in the Ukraine fired (who happened to be trying to investigate Burisma- you know, his son's new employer) was potentially using US funds as quid pro quo for personal favors. You know, the thing they impeached Trump for.

That Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't investigating anything. That was the problem. Everyone wanted him out in order to get a real prosecutor in there.

And what happened to that investigation after the firing?

There never was an investigation of Burisma that I'm aware of either before or after the firing. Lots and lots of corruption that went unprosecuted before the firing was addressed after he was replaced.

This "Burisma investigation" is Russian propaganda. Did you watch the impeachment witnesses testify under oath?

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:So, we spent 3 1/2 years and millions of dollars going down the rabbit hole of Russian collusion which was based on Russian misinformation obtained from Russian spies, but this shouldn't warrant an interest or investigation? Is that what you're saying Tee?

I'm saying that the Mueller investigation was warranted. Read the report.

I'm saying Trump was guilty of holding the arms approved for Ukraine until he got the promise of an investigation into Hunter Biden.

I'm saying that this is the flimsiest of "evidence" of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden. It really isn't evidence of anything as it relates to Joe Biden.  

You see the difference there?

Given the "evidence" needed to investigate Trump for various things- Stormy Daniels, etc- this is rock solid.

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:. It also means his little video bragging about getting the prosecutor in the Ukraine fired (who happened to be trying to investigate Burisma- you know, his son's new employer) was potentially using US funds as quid pro quo for personal favors. You know, the thing they impeached Trump for.

That Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't investigating anything. That was the problem. Everyone wanted him out in order to get a real prosecutor in there.

And what happened to that investigation after the firing?

There never was an investigation of Burisma that I'm aware of either before or after the firing. Lots and lots of corruption that went unprosecuted before the firing was addressed after he was replaced.

This "Burisma investigation" is Russian propaganda. Did you watch the impeachment witnesses testify under oath?

There was an investigation under the prosecutor Biden had fired. The claim was that it was moving too slow. After his firing it seems to have vanished altogether.

And no, I didn't watch any of that shitshow. No one ever lies under oath...

Head Idiot wrote:
Given the "evidence" needed to investigate Trump for various things- Stormy Daniels, etc- this is rock solid.

Of all the various crimes Donald Trump has committed You picked the one has rock solid evidence.

There are cancelled checks signed by Trump. There is sworn testimony by Trump’s ex attorney, mike Cohen, describing the method of payment and there is a tacit admission by Trump’s current consigliere Rudy Giuliani.

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:
Given the "evidence" needed to investigate Trump for various things- Stormy Daniels, etc- this is rock solid.

Of all the various crimes Donald Trump has committed You picked the one has rock solid evidence.

There are cancelled checks signed by Trump. There is sworn testimony by Trump’s ex attorney describing the method of payment and there is a tacit admission by Trump’s current consigliere Rudy Giuliani.

Admission of what? That he banged her and paid her to shut up?

I wasn't aware that was illegal.

Paid her with campaign funds. You forgot that part. That makes it illegal.

It did seem like a really sloppy job for a Russian operation.

https://time.com/5902557/hunter-biden-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/

Teetime wrote:Paid her with campaign funds. You forgot that part. That makes it illegal.

Then why didn't they impeach him for that instead of the made up BS?

There was no made-up BS.

He was guilty of the impeachment charges. There just weren’t enough Republican senators with a set of nuts.

https://youtu.be/n2Xufahbaq4

Go from there.

Teetime wrote:https://youtu.be/n2Xufahbaq4

Go from there.

What?

Teetime wrote:There was no made-up BS.

He was guilty of the impeachment charges. There just weren’t enough Republican senators with a set of nuts.

Except there is no such thing as obstruction of Congress.

Head Idiot wrote:Except there is no such thing as obstruction of Congress.

Of course there is...

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34304.pdf

Does your computer have Google?

That's like "Contempt of Congress." Sure, it's a statute, but it's more like a feeling everyone just has....

Iran has been caught sending intimidating emails posing as proud boys to help biden. Just as iran planned, left wing media goes crazy. maybe iran has run out of cash and wants to influence the election.

tps wrote:Iran has been caught sending intimidating emails posing as proud boys to help biden. Just as iran planned, left wing media goes crazy. maybe iran has run out of cash and wants to influence the election.

Maybe they figure Biden will send them another plane full of cash and negotiate another cushy treaty with them.

I think earlier in this thread I recommended NPR as a possible source for news.  I rescind that....

Earlier this month, NPR broadcast a story about a Calgary park bench plaque memorializing Benjy, described as “the first hamster to fly solo around the world.”  Then today, this about the Biden scandal: