Joe Biden Innocent or Not Guilty

tps wrote: our fbi and cia have become political tools to 'get that guy'. i suspect there are some skeletons in the closet that fbi and cia do not want discovered and play dirty to keep them hidden.

The FBI and CIA have always been a political, corrupt tool. The Dems' claiming they're infallible over the past 4 years and that we should just buy what they say at face value is incredibly ironic and and negligent of history on their part.

lefty120 wrote:Why does it matter who mentioned them...they’re a hate and violence filled group; there’s no media manipulation in how the president responded. Again, why does everyone who supports trump have to continually explain away the shit he says...and when they can’t, it’s the media...or it’s Biden...like Biden and the dems are more manipulative than the Reps...THEYRE BOTH THE SAME!  It’s just trump says more dumb crap...if he’d just keep his mouth shut a bit more he’d be way more like able and probably win the election going away...but we live in a social media driven world where everything is blown up...if he’d just ‘Feed the Cats’ more and subscribe to less is more when he’s talking, it wouldn’t be an issue.

I think one reason so many people defend Trump- myself included- is because it's so incredibly one sided in the media every single day. Meanwhile, the other side says equally stupid ass things every day and there's never a peep. From their perspective he's the only one standing in the way of the full on socialist conversion.

And they're not entirely wrong. I'm sure both sides would LOVE socialism. More power and more $$$ for them.

lefty120 wrote:Why does it matter who mentioned them...they’re a hate and violence filled group; there’s no media manipulation in how the president responded. Again, why does everyone who supports trump have to continually explain away the shit he says...and when they can’t, it’s the media...or it’s Biden...like Biden and the dems are more manipulative than the Reps...THEYRE BOTH THE SAME!  It’s just trump says more dumb crap...if he’d just keep his mouth shut a bit more he’d be way more like able and probably win the election going away...but we live in a social media driven world where everything is blown up...if he’d just ‘Feed the Cats’ more and subscribe to less is more when he’s talking, it wouldn’t be an issue.

This whole issue is the media trying to paint Trump as a White Supremacist which, in my opinion, is a really unfair assessment of him. I am not saying that Trump is a huge activist for the African-Americans or any other minority group, but placing the blame for race relations in America right now solely on him is not fair. I do not think Trump has done anything to help or hurt the race relations but the perception is that he has made it worse, which maybe he has due to inaction. But does inaction make you a racist? 10 years ago now but with the narrative today I think that answer is yes.

Joe Biden has said some pretty questionable things about African-Americans and Latinos and his voting record in his 37 years in the Senate reflects some of these notions but the media seems to turn a blind eye to his past. He was a proponent of forced busing, joined Jesse Helms in voting to stop the integration of schools, helped establish mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenders.  He called Bush 41 soft on crime and wanted stronger punishments, he said, “Quite frankly, the president’s plan is not tough enough, bold enough, or imaginative enough to meet the crisis at hand. In a nutshell, the president’s plan does not include enough police officers to catch the violent thugs, enough prosecutors to convict them, enough judges to sentence them, or enough prison cells to put them away for a long time.” Wonder what would happen do his campaign if this went viral now?

Here is the interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrIJf2aKT0&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=NewsMediaInc.

From what I have gathered, which is very little, is that the Proud Boys may be a violent group but not necessarily a white supremacist group. Antifa is also a violent group but Biden says they are just an idea.  Either way, it is sad that the analysis of the Debate has focused so much on this issue between calling out hate groups, which in my opinion is a moot point, both groups are based upon hate and neither side is going to admit that. And neither one of these groups are going to go away, regardless of what happens on election day.

Either way, neither of these guys is fit to lead our country, I don't care what anybody says.  I refuse to vote based on the notion that one guy isn't as bad as the other.  I will likely vote for Jorgenson so that my ballot will not be manipulated by a no vote.

On Wednesday evening Trump landed at the airport in Duluth MN for a short rally and ripped the State of Minnesota for their refugee population. In particular, Rep. Ilhan Omar. She has recently been accused of ballot harvesting by the guy that doctors film clips to make it look like he is filming a crime. That aside, read the language that he used and answer me this question...

In this rant, who exactly are "us"? When he says "then she tells us how to run our country"....who are the "us" and "our" that he makes reference to?



"During a rally in Duluth, Trump accused Democratic nominee Joe Biden of having a plan “to inundate your state with a historic flood of refugees,” prompting his fans to boo. He then turned his ire on one of his frequent targets of abuse: Rep. Ilhan Omar, a Somali refugee who now represents Minneapolis in Congress.

“And what about Omar? Where she gets caught [ballot] harvesting. What the hell is going on? I hope your US attorney is involved,” Trump continued, referring to a newly released Project Veritas video that alleges (without any evidence) that Omar is involved in election fraud; the video has been dismissed as a “coordinated disinformation campaign” by researchers.

As “lock her up!” chants rang out, Trump added, “I mean, frankly, harvesting’s terrible, but it’s the least of the things that she has done. How the hell — then she tells us how to run our country. Can you believe it? What the hell is wrong with you people? What the hell happened?”

media, bruh
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1311708643356749825

tps wrote:media, bruh
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1311708643356749825

This is why people defend Trump.

tps wrote:media, bruh
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1311708643356749825

Was that an answer to his words he used in Duluth?

This presser question was about Trump denouncing white supremacy groups. I didn't ask about that.

Teetime wrote:

tps wrote:media, bruh
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1311708643356749825

Was that an answer to his words he used in Duluth?

This presser question was about Trump denouncing white supremacy groups. I didn't ask about that.

no, that was not an answer to your question.
based on the info displayed , i would guess 'we' or 'us' could mean non-democratic socialist (or capitalist),but i'm no mind reader. what does your crystal ball say?

tps wrote:based on the info displayed , i would guess 'we' or 'us' could mean non-democratic socialist (or capitalist),but i'm no mind reader. what does your crystal ball say?

I'm not sure. It can't mean capitalists...capitalists don't have rights to "our" country. It doesn't belong to capitalists.

It must mean a group of people who has ownership of "our" country. That group obviously can't include Rep. Omar.

Who could that be?

Teetime wrote:

tps wrote:based on the info displayed , i would guess 'we' or 'us' could mean non-democratic socialist (or capitalist),but i'm no mind reader. what does your crystal ball say?

I'm not sure. It can't mean capitalists...capitalists don't have rights to "our" country. It doesn't belong to capitalists.

It must mean a group of people who has ownership of "our" country. That group obviously can't include Rep. Omar.

Who could that be?

I guess you stumped me...

While I'm not defending anything Trump said in Minnesota I'm not a fan of Ilhan Omar or anyone else who makes anti Semitic comments. It's pretty well established that she has no love for Israel.

OSUBucks wrote:While I'm not defending anything Trump said in Minnesota I'm not a fan of Ilhan Omar or anyone else who makes anti Semitic comments. It's pretty well established that she has no love for Israel.

So you are of the opinion that Trump might have been talking about Israel when he said "then she tells us how to run our country". Probably a huge Jewish community in Duluth that he was identifying with.

The point is...Trump was talking to the 99% white, non-immigrant audience and was pitting them against a member of congress from that state who is black and an immigrant. It was racist. He is racist.

My freshman are doing ethos, logos, and pathos. The debate the other night is a treasure trove!

Teetime wrote:He is racist.

Teetime wrote:

OSUBucks wrote:While I'm not defending anything Trump said in Minnesota I'm not a fan of Ilhan Omar or anyone else who makes anti Semitic comments. It's pretty well established that she has no love for Israel.

So you are of the opinion that Trump might have been talking about Israel when he said "then she tells us how to run our country". Probably a huge Jewish community in Duluth that he was identifying with.

The point is...Trump was talking to the 99% white, non-immigrant audience and was pitting them against a member of congress from that state who is black and an immigrant. It was racist. He is racist.

Trump could be, there are some indications that he might be. 4% of the judges he has put on the bench are black. That's a low amount. 18% of Obama's were, that's a little high if you look at proportion of population. Ilhan Omar doesn't like Jews but she's a Democrat so she's tolerated by her party, just like former KKK member Robert Byrd was, who rose to Senate Majority leader.

OSUBucks wrote:Trump could be, there are some indications that he might be.

Then again, he dated a black woman for two years. Ya, ALL the racists I know would date a woman-of-color in New York, under the glare of international media.... hell, my racist father-in-law would've SHOT any black man who dared to even call my wife or her sister back in the day.

But that's ok. He's a stone cold Democrat.

tps wrote:it matters because that is the genesis of the exchange and the controversy. not explaining it away, displaying what actually happened. the media manipulate the 'story' saying trump supports the proud boys, therefore he's racist.

Forget about the media.  Just focus on Trump's own words.

tps wrote:he could have answered that question much, much better, obviously. i'm not trying to change what he said. i agree, he's often his own worst enemy but if people think the media are fair, they have not been paying attention. he left some doubt but the basis of the uproar started when he requested a name, one was provided and he repeated that name. the video shows that.

And immediately after he repeated that name he said, "Stand back and stand by."  

"Proud Boys -- Stand back and stand by."  Those are his words.  They aren't coming from some talking head media type.

WHY would he direct the Proud boys to stand back and stand by?  What conclusion can you draw other than he wants to them to be ready for something?  What that something is only Trump knows.

But Trump won't tell you what that something is.  In fact, he now says he doesn't know who the Proud Boys are...even though his campaign mouthpiece now says Trump wants them to stop what they are doing.  

The craziness of this situation is beyond description.

tps wrote:media, bruh
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1311708643356749825

Media,bruh
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1311803164174233600?s=19

we all make comments and say things that don't come out right or give the wrong impression or the sarcasm is lost in the delivery or it was a bad joke. we all do - all of 'us'. some might say injecting bleach into our arms should be tried as a medical treatment, or that we don't denounce something enough times or strong enough on cue or we say 'some people did something' describing 9/11. people write things on this board, that if taken literally, are pretty mean spirited and despicable. most reasonable people know its a joke or sarcasm.  i guess it is the lens through which you view those situations which dictates your response/opinion. i've been accused of backhanded insults. that was not my intent but that is how it was interpreted. but i'm just confused and bewildered by the constant, relentless driving force of people who wake up in the morning and their first thought is "f*ck trump"

Joe Biden, giving the Proud Boy White Power symbol....

tps wrote:we all make comments and say things that don't come out right or give the wrong impression or the sarcasm is lost in the delivery or it was a bad joke. we all do - all of 'us'. some might say injecting bleach into our arms should be tried as a medical treatment, or that we don't denounce something enough times or strong enough on cue or we say 'some people did something' describing 9/11. people write things on this board, that if taken literally, are pretty mean spirited and despicable. most reasonable people know its a joke or sarcasm.  i guess it is the lens through which you view those situations which dictates your response/opinion. i've been accused of backhanded insults. that was not my intent but that is how it was interpreted. but i'm just confused and bewildered by the constant, relentless driving force of people who wake up in the morning and their first thought is "f*ck trump"

You are right.  We all make comments or say things that don't come out right.  

Some of us do it way more than others.  

The expectation for a man at the pinnacle of power in this country and the world who has gone through hours of debate prep, to not make those kinds of comments should be substantially higher than for us common folk.  But it happens with him in a debate setting, in press briefings, and even on twitter when he has the ability to think about and edit what he is writing.  It happens with him a lot.

As for the use of sarcasm and humor, why would he do that within the context of a corona virus briefing?  What was the point?  What possible positive outcome did he hope to gain?  The problem is that "most reasonable people" means 51% and above.  There will always be a segment of the population who takes what he says as GOSPEL because they think he walks on water.  

Would he have rolled out the sarcasm and humor excuse (once again) relative to injecting bleach or inhaling disinfectant into the lungs if there hadn't been negative coverage of what he said?  Would he have walked back his comments in the debate about the Proud Boys if there hadn't been negative coverage of what he said (and didn't say)?

The President is fond of saying that elections have consequences.  So do words.

BirdWatcher wrote:Joe Biden, giving the Proud Boy White Power symbol....

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what he's doing.

the next debate moderator. seems fair minded and reasonable.
https://twitter.com/SteveScully/status/710943428314419201

ramblinman wrote:

tps wrote:we all make comments and say things that don't come out right or give the wrong impression or the sarcasm is lost in the delivery or it was a bad joke. we all do - all of 'us'. some might say injecting bleach into our arms should be tried as a medical treatment, or that we don't denounce something enough times or strong enough on cue or we say 'some people did something' describing 9/11. people write things on this board, that if taken literally, are pretty mean spirited and despicable. most reasonable people know its a joke or sarcasm.  i guess it is the lens through which you view those situations which dictates your response/opinion. i've been accused of backhanded insults. that was not my intent but that is how it was interpreted. but i'm just confused and bewildered by the constant, relentless driving force of people who wake up in the morning and their first thought is "f*ck trump"

You are right.  We all make comments or say things that don't come out right.  

Some of us do it way more than others.  

The expectation for a man at the pinnacle of power in this country and the world who has gone through hours of debate prep, to not make those kinds of comments should be substantially higher than for us common folk.  But it happens with him in a debate setting, in press briefings, and even on twitter when he has the ability to think about and edit what he is writing.  It happens with him a lot.

As for the use of sarcasm and humor, why would he do that within the context of a corona virus briefing?  What was the point?  What possible positive outcome did he hope to gain?  The problem is that "most reasonable people" means 51% and above.  There will always be a segment of the population who takes what he says as GOSPEL because they think he walks on water.  

Would he have rolled out the sarcasm and humor excuse (once again) relative to injecting bleach or inhaling disinfectant into the lungs if there hadn't been negative coverage of what he said?  Would he have walked back his comments in the debate about the Proud Boys if there hadn't been negative coverage of what he said (and didn't say)?

The President is fond of saying that elections have consequences.  So do words.

Agree or disagree with his politics, this president has been a negative representation of our government and people. From foreign affairs, to domestic affairs, to climate change, to the reduction of restrictions on polluting agents and fossil fuels, the last 3 plus years has been a dumpster fire. The greatest example as to what this president is about is spelled out in his constant attacks on Obama and his administration, in particular Obamacare. How many times is he going to criticize Obamacare, then be asked what his better plan is, and just say you'll see? That's something that would TRULY benefit the American people...a comprehensive improvement to our healthcare system. And all he does is exactly what he always does...tell someone who's to blame for why it's no good.

The ONLY thing he's done to improve Obamacare in 3+ years is remove the personal mandate. That's it...he has come up with nothing else, and neither has anyone who works for him. I know Obamacare isn't perfect, but here's the deal...at least he tried to do something. My wife works with Obamacare every fall as she sells insurance...she's said very little negative about it and is consistently talking about how much money it saves people and the number of people she helps who, have jobs, work hard, but don't have insurance through their employer...are there loopholes? Of course there is; that's always going to be the case! But overall, she's sold hundreds of policies through this program, and has overall positive experiences with it. People can complain that it costs taxpayers money, I get that. But again, our healthcare system is messed up and has been for a long time. At least he tried to do something.

A wise man once told me, 'don't bring me a problem, bring me a solution'...our current president has done nothing but tell the American people what the problems are and who was to blame for them. But whenever pressed to offer real solutions, that both sides can get behind, he does nothing.

lefty120 wrote:

BirdWatcher wrote:Joe Biden, giving the Proud Boy White Power symbol....

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what he's doing.  

Why do people who support Trump have to consistently reinterpret things he says?