Joe Biden Innocent or Not Guilty

tps wrote:i agree, the EC could use some updating. many of our voting systems need some updating (i.e. voter ID; signature verification; citizenship, residency & eligibility checks)

Head Idiot wrote:

tps wrote:i agree, the EC could use some updating. many of our voting systems need some updating (i.e. voter ID; signature verification; citizenship, residency & eligibility checks)

I am super intrigued as to why Democrats think requiring ID for all sorts of daily tasks is perfectly legal, but doing so to vote is voter suppression.

You will be asked for various types of documents such as:

proof of your identity
proof of your residence
proof of Social Security numbers for all people on your application
other types of documents depending on your circumstances.  

(FCRC)Verify identity. If the customer has an ID card that has their photo on it, (e.g., driver's license, Illinois ID card, credit card, student ID), no other proof is needed. The customer should provide two proofs of identity if their photo is not included. Acceptable proofs of identity include:
birth record
driver's license
work or school ID
wage stub
library card
military record
social security card
insurance policy
prison - court record
state-issued ID
voter registration card
clinic card - medical record
passport
firearms ID card.

YangGang wrote:  
Strict voter identification requirements across the country are depriving many voters of their right to vote. Of course, the lawmakers who write these laws and voters who use their identification in their everyday lives don’t think this is a big deal. However, low-income households, the elderly, transgender individuals, minorities, and people with disabilities (PWD) are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws because they are more likely to experience difficulty obtaining the underlying documents necessary. 3.6% of registered white voters lacked proper ID, compared to 7.5% of black registrants. The transgender community is disproportionately affected by these laws. 57% (approximately 78,000) of transgender people may not have identification or documentation that accurately reflects their gender, making them ineligible to vote.

Processes to change names or gender markers on identification can be expensive, difficult, and vary from state to state. For individuals who do not have traditional identification like a driver's license or passport, states are legally required to provide a process for them to obtain some form of voter ID. However, states can purposely make it difficult to obtain voter ID by severely limiting the days that their ID offices are open. The most extreme example includes a location in Sauk County, Wisconsin where the office is only open on the fifth Wednesday of every month (which equates to four days of the entire year).

Nationally, 25% of African-American voting-age citizens lack a government-issued photo ID, compared to 8% of White voting-age citizens. The income gap plays major role in explaining this difference. Obtaining a government issued ID can easily cost $75 to $175 in transport fees, waiting times, and paying for supporting papers like birth certificates, which are not as easily accessible to minority communities living in poverty. When states enact voter ID laws, their turnout decreases by 2-3% and primarily affects ages 18-23, new voters, and African-American voters.

More than three-quarters of older voters between the ages of 65 and 74 are registered to vote, and more than 60% of those aged 85 and above cast a ballot in the 2016 election. Despite large voter turnout of the elderly population, who take their civic duty seriously, stringent identification laws are making it more and more difficult for them to participate in the voting process. Whether that means finding transportation to renew their expired driver’s license or scrambling to find a birth certificate that was issued 80 years ago, older voters are also becoming targets of disenfranchisement.

Identification problems should not bar Americans from voting. We must remove discriminatory voter ID laws that deny thousands of otherwise eligible citizens the opportunity to participate in the democratic process.

tps wrote:

Huck wrote:

Of course its a problem. Everyone wants to win...

So it is about winning, not about getting it right. Okay.

I thought we were talking about picking a president?

We were.  Point is, picking the president is not the end all, be all.  Those in the minority may not get their way with the presidential selection, but that does not mean they aren't represented or under represented, as most arguments in favor of the EC imply.

i agree, the EC could use some updating. many of our voting systems need some updating (i.e. voter ID; signature verification; citizenship, residency & eligibility checks)

tps wrote:He also thinks life isn't worth living after 75.

Head Idiot wrote:I am super intrigued as to why Democrats think requiring ID for all sorts of daily tasks is perfectly legal, but doing so to vote is voter suppression.

Huck wrote:I think it is covered pretty well in what you copied and pasted from Yang.

You seem to disagree.

Huck wrote:Voting is a right.

And to get assistance does not require photo id, which is oftentimes the costly and time consuming aspect.

Huck wrote:Do people really believe that there are lots of people out there wagering on which registered voters have not shown up, and attempting to vote again under their name?

Huck wrote:Making the ID free is just a start.  There is a lot more potential "cost" to lower income citizens when it isn't necessary.  Why should voting require a photo ID?