Joe Biden Innocent or Not Guilty

OSUBucks wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:Oh ya, that debacle was also where she was promising money for minority business owners. Not all small business owners, just minority ones-
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/kamala-harris-accidentally-touts-plan-under-harris-administration/

I think there is a legitimate chance that she will be President and that she could be in less than 4 years.

2022 after the midterm elections is my prediction. That way they won't run the risk of messing up the midterm and then she can run for 2 full terms of her own is probably the plan.

She, or someone else may be making the decisions from Day 1 in 2021. It's happened before- Wilson and Reagan.

OSUBucks wrote:Today in Ohio Biden said that he was running for the US Senate. This is the 2nd time that I know of that he's said that. If he wins Kamala Harris will have her hands full.

Ronald Reagan used to tell one particular story of his service in the European theatre and how he helped liberate a concentration camp. He never left the United States during his military service, he just got confused between movies and reality. It didn’t seem to effect his presidency.

Ronald Reagan told visiting Israeli premier Yitzhak Shamir in fall of 1983 that he had helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp as a soldier in the European theater and had taken footage of the horrors of the camp. Later, he said, when family members questioned him as to whether those horrors had really occurred, he showed them the footage he had captured. He also told a version of this story to Simon Wiesenthal. Dan Meridor confirmed to journalist Lou Cannon that Reagan had made these assertions, and said that Shamir relayed them to the Israeli cabinet to demonstrate Reagan’s sympathy for the Jewish people.

Reagan was in uniform during WW II, but was detailed to Hollywood. He never left the United States. He sometimes maintained that he had access to classified US Army footage of the concentration camps because of his film work during the war. But Cannon shows that Gen. Eisenhower had ordered these reels shown in movie theaters in the US in 1945 and that they weren’t secret or classified at all. Reagan later denied to Cannon that he had told Shamir and Wiesenthal that story, but there isn’t much doubt that he did.

Reagan had an over-active imagination and seems sometimes to have remembered himself right into movies or newsreels he had seen. Whether he was already showing Alzheimer symptoms in 1983 (which would be scary) isn’t clear, but the problem anyway doesn’t seem to have been one of forgetting things but rather of remembering other people’s experiences as his own. Cannon, in his biography of Reagan, made allowances in a footnote, saying that “Reagan became so emotionally engrossed in the story that he told it from the point of view of the photographer witnessing the scene.”

Teetime wrote:

OSUBucks wrote:Today in Ohio Biden said that he was running for the US Senate. This is the 2nd time that I know of that he's said that. If he wins Kamala Harris will have her hands full.

Ronald Reagan used to tell one particular story of his service in the European theatre and how he helped liberate a concentration camp. He never left the United States during his military service, he just got confused between movies and reality. It didn’t seem to effect his presidency.

Ronald Reagan told visiting Israeli premier Yitzhak Shamir in fall of 1983 that he had helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp as a soldier in the European theater and had taken footage of the horrors of the camp. Later, he said, when family members questioned him as to whether those horrors had really occurred, he showed them the footage he had captured. He also told a version of this story to Simon Wiesenthal. Dan Meridor confirmed to journalist Lou Cannon that Reagan had made these assertions, and said that Shamir relayed them to the Israeli cabinet to demonstrate Reagan’s sympathy for the Jewish people.

Reagan was in uniform during WW II, but was detailed to Hollywood. He never left the United States. He sometimes maintained that he had access to classified US Army footage of the concentration camps because of his film work during the war. But Cannon shows that Gen. Eisenhower had ordered these reels shown in movie theaters in the US in 1945 and that they weren’t secret or classified at all. Reagan later denied to Cannon that he had told Shamir and Wiesenthal that story, but there isn’t much doubt that he did.



Reagan had an over-active imagination and seems sometimes to have remembered himself right into movies or newsreels he had seen. Whether he was already showing Alzheimer symptoms in 1983 (which would be scary) isn’t clear, but the problem anyway doesn’t seem to have been one of forgetting things but rather of remembering other people’s experiences as his own. Cannon, in his biography of Reagan, made allowances in a footnote, saying that “Reagan became so emotionally engrossed in the story that he told it from the point of view of the photographer witnessing the scene.”

True, he had some competent people around him to advise him and help make decisions for him. Hopefully Biden will too.

OSUBucks wrote:

Teetime wrote:

OSUBucks wrote:Today in Ohio Biden said that he was running for the US Senate. This is the 2nd time that I know of that he's said that. If he wins Kamala Harris will have her hands full.

Ronald Reagan used to tell one particular story of his service in the European theatre and how he helped liberate a concentration camp. He never left the United States during his military service, he just got confused between movies and reality. It didn’t seem to effect his presidency.

Ronald Reagan told visiting Israeli premier Yitzhak Shamir in fall of 1983 that he had helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp as a soldier in the European theater and had taken footage of the horrors of the camp. Later, he said, when family members questioned him as to whether those horrors had really occurred, he showed them the footage he had captured. He also told a version of this story to Simon Wiesenthal. Dan Meridor confirmed to journalist Lou Cannon that Reagan had made these assertions, and said that Shamir relayed them to the Israeli cabinet to demonstrate Reagan’s sympathy for the Jewish people.

Reagan was in uniform during WW II, but was detailed to Hollywood. He never left the United States. He sometimes maintained that he had access to classified US Army footage of the concentration camps because of his film work during the war. But Cannon shows that Gen. Eisenhower had ordered these reels shown in movie theaters in the US in 1945 and that they weren’t secret or classified at all. Reagan later denied to Cannon that he had told Shamir and Wiesenthal that story, but there isn’t much doubt that he did.



Reagan had an over-active imagination and seems sometimes to have remembered himself right into movies or newsreels he had seen. Whether he was already showing Alzheimer symptoms in 1983 (which would be scary) isn’t clear, but the problem anyway doesn’t seem to have been one of forgetting things but rather of remembering other people’s experiences as his own. Cannon, in his biography of Reagan, made allowances in a footnote, saying that “Reagan became so emotionally engrossed in the story that he told it from the point of view of the photographer witnessing the scene.”

True, he had some competent people around him to advise him and help make decisions for him. Hopefully Biden will too.

So far his VP is only his VP because it was the PC thing to do, and he needs the car left votes. He now want Cuomo for his Attorney General because of their long friendship. If anyone bungled the COVID response it was Cuomo.

ramblinman wrote:

tps wrote:

BirdWatcher wrote:Joe Biden, giving the Proud Boy White Power symbol....

I missed the multiple media demands to denounce and apologize.

He atoned for it by choosing a woman of color as his running mate.

Content of character...

an interesting story from ny post
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

very possible that hunter was selling influence. (quid pro quo?)
also, i wonder who else (russia, china, etc) has seen what's on the hard drive. wonder if it could be used as leverage against joe? maybe joe did know about his son's activities?

tps wrote:an interesting story from ny post
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

very possible that hunter was selling influence. (quid pro quo?)
also, i wonder who else (russia, china, etc) has seen what's on the hard drive. wonder if it could be used as leverage against joe? maybe joe did know about his son's activities?

Twitter is suppressing this story.  Must be true.

BirdWatcher wrote:

tps wrote:an interesting story from ny post
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

very possible that hunter was selling influence. (quid pro quo?)
also, i wonder who else (russia, china, etc) has seen what's on the hard drive. wonder if it could be used as leverage against joe? maybe joe did know about his son's activities?

Twitter is suppressing this story.  Must be true.

I've read that facebook is also suppressing.

Man, if Hunter Biden ever decided to run for President there would be lots of crap to write about him.

Teetime wrote:Man, if Hunter Biden ever decided to run for President there would be lots of crap to write about him.

Man, if only his dad hadn't potentially used his position to open those doors.

I mean, we certainly haven't seen similar reports about the Trumps.

Have we?

Did it have any affect on Trump’s electability?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/01/business/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-financial-disclosure.html

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-spending-trump-kids/2020/10/12/ffc1c330-ff31-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/18/771412707/a-look-at-the-ethical-conflicts-trumps-children-have-faced

Have they affected his electability? No. As those articles were not written for, nor published by in any outlet his voters would read. In fact, if you Google Trump kids profiting off presidency, it's a who's who of the tried and true Dem mouthpieces- NYT, Washington Post, NPR, LA Times, Vox, CNN, Rolling Stone. And they're all pieces written to solely deflect from ole Hunter- save the first one which is a more recentstory that was major news for the same outlets. All to defend Hunter. You know, that paragon of trustworthiness.

Head Idiot wrote:Man, if only his dad hadn't potentially used his position to open those doors.

According to the Post article this "meeting" that is causing the stir happened a year after Hunter was already on the Burisma board of directors.

Too late to open the door for the boy.

Teetime wrote:According to the Post article this "meeting" that is causing the stir happened a year after Hunter was already on the Burisma board of directors.

Too late to open the door for the boy.

Those 'payback' meetings have to start some time.....

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27403003

TL;DR "The most disturbing explanation is that the company is attempting to curry favour with the US government by enlisting the services of the close family friend and campaign bundler of the secretary of state and the son of the vice president. After all, Archer notes on one of his company's web pages that his firm's "relationship network creates opportunities for our portfolio companies which then compound to greater outcomes for all parties".

Gonna stop calling it my 'family reunion' and start calling it 'network relationship conference.'

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:Man, if only his dad hadn't potentially used his position to open those doors.

According to the Post article this "meeting" that is causing the stir happened a year after Hunter was already on the Burisma board of directors.

Too late to open the door for the boy.

Yes, I'm sure Joe Biden being the VP of the US and the designated point man for the Ukraine had no influence on a Ukrainian energy company hiring his son who had no experience, expertise or any reason to be on that board other than his last name. Throw in the fact that the kid is a colossal slime bag and \"f\"ing up and I can see why he's such a success.

tps wrote:an interesting story from ny post
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

very possible that hunter was selling influence. (quid pro quo?)
also, i wonder who else (russia, china, etc) has seen what's on the hard drive. wonder if it could be used as leverage against joe? maybe joe did know about his son's activities?

The campaign for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden admitted that it’s possible that Biden may have met with an executive for Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, during his time as vice president when his son was a board member of the company.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-campaign-vp-may-have-had-informal-meeting-with-burisma-exec-at-center-of-bombshell-ny-post-report

BirdWatcher wrote:

tps wrote:an interesting story from ny post
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

very possible that hunter was selling influence. (quid pro quo?)
also, i wonder who else (russia, china, etc) has seen what's on the hard drive. wonder if it could be used as leverage against joe? maybe joe did know about his son's activities?

Twitter is suppressing this story.  Must be true.

welcome to the rules of the left - censorship. should get real interesting if biden gets elected...

Head Idiot wrote:

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:Man, if only his dad hadn't potentially used his position to open those doors.

According to the Post article this "meeting" that is causing the stir happened a year after Hunter was already on the Burisma board of directors.

Too late to open the door for the boy.

Yes, I'm sure Joe Biden being the VP of the US and the designated point man for the Ukraine had no influence on a Ukrainian energy company hiring his son who had no experience, expertise or any reason to be on that board other than his last name. Throw in the fact that the kid is a colossal slime bag and \"f\"ing up and I can see why he's such a success.

I'm happy to concede that Hunter is a bad human being and that he might have gotten a really good job on the board at Burisma because his dad was a bigwig.

Lets vow to never vote for Hunter for any elected position. I'll take the pledge.

Now it’s starting to look like this whole story was supplied to the Post by Rudy Giuliani. He has been hanging with Russian KBG operatives and they might have invented the whole thing.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/hunter-biden-new-york-post-story-reeks

It's possible that a decent guy may have a child that is a bad apple. Happens more than you would think. Get back to me when you have something on Biden himself. It seems like every 4 years, less than a month before the election, there is something released to the public that is designed to hurt one of the candidates. I think Trump needs a hail Mary.

They tried with Sen. Ron Johnson's committee report to taint Biden two weeks ago and that was a nothingburger that was based on the stories told to Sen. Johnson by a KGB operative.

Then there was the "unmasking" investigation by Bill Barr that was going to prove once and for all that the Biden-Obama administration had illegally gotten involved in the Trump-Russia investigation. That got dropped a couple of days ago after they found no wrongdoing.

Now it looks like the "Durham Investigation" is not going to supply the bullets they needed to wound Biden in the final days before the election.

It looked like STRIKE THREE!

Up steps Rudy Giuliani with this story cobbled together with unprovable "facts" that is now supposed to be the one that once and for all proves that Biden is a really bad guy. No real news operation can verify any of it.

Now the political "right" is beside itself because they can't get the social media outlets to let them spread the story before the facts are available. They were counting on being able to create a first impression before anyone would know the story was just Rudy and the KGB doing their best to help out the boss.

That's what it looks like to this unbiased observer. ;-)

tps wrote:welcome to the rules of the left - censorship. should get real interesting if biden gets elected...

That will be a nice balance to Trump with his "fake news" mantra for the past five years, casting doubt on anything mentioned by any media outlet he doesn't like and galvanizing the right.

Biden certainly isn't the first politician with a failson.

lefty120 wrote:

tps wrote:the next debate moderator. seems fair minded and reasonable.
https://twitter.com/SteveScully/status/710943428314419201

Does it really matter who moderates? I mean really, neither one of them will 'win' if it's even remotely close to what we saw Tuesday night.

The guy has been suspended by cspan for lying and saying his twitter was hacked after some anti trump stuff. Unbiased media? Ya ,id say it matters.

ramblinman wrote:

tps wrote:welcome to the rules of the left - censorship. should get real interesting if biden gets elected...

That will be a nice balance to Trump with his "fake news" mantra for the past five years, casting doubt on anything mentioned by any media outlet he doesn't like and galvanizing the right.

I disagree. 1st amendment (censorship) vs fake news .
Billionaires who back biden run social media and censor stories that hurt him. Obey komrade...