Joe Biden Innocent or Not Guilty

Teetime wrote:

OSUBucks wrote:Tee I was being sarcastic.

Good. I usually need a clue, like a smiley face.

I'm not that sharp.

Oh you are plenty sharp. If Biden wins (and I think he will) I won't be surprised if Trump's tax situation is thoroughly investigated for some time. I think he is crooked as hell.

OSUBucks wrote:Trump has to be shaking his head about how dumb the Bidens are. Joe and his wife reported 944K in income for last year and paid about 300K.

As are most people that make that much

OSUBucks wrote: If Biden wins (and I think he will) I won't be surprised if Trump's tax situation is thoroughly investigated for some time. I think he is crooked as hell.

I'm approaching retirement age. I may volunteer to help with that investigation. I hear Washington DC is beautiful in the spring.

If they don't want volunteers I'll work for a finder's fee. I think I could make some pretty good scratch on that job.

How did Joe make close to a million dollars last year?

Head Idiot wrote:How did Joe make close to a million dollars last year?

I dunno, but he clearly avoided taxes by taking that money thru an S-Corp. TAX AVOIDANCE!!!

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-cb-nw-nyt-trump-tax-returns-findings-20200928-otzntzkqzjcgxh7mm3pyrxbm7i-story.html

"The refund reduced his total federal income tax bill between 2000 and 2017 to an annual average of $1.4 million."

The refund is the reason for the audit

seems interesting

In September of 2016, U.S. intelligence officials also forwarded an investigative referral on Clinton purportedly approving "a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections" in order to distract the public from her email scandal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-briefed-clinton-russia-vilify-trump-distract

Head Idiot wrote:How did Joe make close to a million dollars last year?

He and his wife, who holds a doctorate, file jointly.

tps wrote:"The refund reduced his total federal income tax bill between 2000 and 2017 to an annual average of $1.4 million.

The next sentence...

"By comparison, the average American in the top 0.001% of earners paid about $25 million in federal income taxes each year over the same span."

OSUBucks wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:How did Joe make close to a million dollars last year?

He and his wife, who holds a doctorate, file jointly.

Ya. The top professors at UofI make about $250-300k.

Jill Biden is a professor at North Virginia Community College.

 Indeed, by 2019 the couple reported some $15 million in income since leaving the vice presidency, including $700,000 in speaking engagements for her. The couple also substantially increased their charitable giving during this period.

Jill Biden continued to teach full-time at NOVA after her husband left office, with a salary of close to $100,000.

Ah, the old book deal.

Teetime wrote:

tps wrote:"The refund reduced his total federal income tax bill between 2000 and 2017 to an annual average of $1.4 million.

The next sentence...

"By comparison, the average American in the top 0.001% of earners paid about $25 million in federal income taxes each year over the same span."

My point is he pays a million plus. Alot more than very little. What was your point?

That he pays very little.

In ten of the last 15 years....zero.

In two others $750 total.

A million is a lot to me.

This debate sounds like the old farmers sitting at McDonald's in the morning arguing about nothing.

I will not be voting for either of these guys.

It is hard to watch.

Easily the worst Presidential debate I've ever seen. I'm old enough to remember Carter vs Ford and every debate since. Every one was at least civil and debate rules were followed. You can't have a debate when you allow each candidate 2 minutes to speak and one candidate doesn't have an opportunity to speak without the other candidate constantly interrupting him. Trump is the bully many people thought he was. This debate was off the rails 5 minutes in and never recovered. We're going to have two more of these debates? I don't see the point if they follow the course we saw tonight.

I watched about 15 seconds. I couldn't do it.

I say have the debate on zoom. When it’s not your turn, you can’t be heard or seen. If it’s time for open debate, let it rip.

Trump has a problem with women voters. He leads Biden among men but Biden leads with women more than he trails with men. I don't see how Trump helped himself tonight. Maybe he can reinvent himself for the last two debates.

This was a low point

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518887-proud-boys-celebrate-online-after-trumps-debate-stand-back-stand-by-comment

I think one thing is blatantly clear before and after the debates- this is certainly a low, if not the lowest, point in American political history. We're getting close to someone being beaten with a cane in Congress.

Regardless of the outcome of this election, the real loser is going to be the American people.

tps wrote:A million is a lot to me.

To you yes, but to people who make the type of money that Trump does, it's a joke.

lefty120 wrote:

tps wrote:A million is a lot to me.

To you yes, but to people who make the type of money that Trump does, it's a joke.  

tax avoidance. it is a $10 billion industry...HRBlock et al.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/06/joe-biden-used-this-strategy-to-trim-his-tax-bill-you-can-too.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-bidens-dodged-the-payroll-tax-11597083162

Teetime wrote:I say have the debate on zoom. When it’s not your turn, you can’t be heard or seen. If it’s time for open debate, let it rip.

They need to come up with something like this or I don't see any reason to have two more debates.