Joe Biden Innocent or Not Guilty

tps wrote:Google this "flynn exculpatory evidence"

What part of my Flynn summary is false.

Teetime wrote:I know most of you will laugh at this idea, but I think most of the divisions can be traced back to the advent of right wing talk radio, specifically Rush Limbaugh.

I have been thinking and saying this exact same thing for a very long time.

ramblinman wrote:

Teetime wrote:I know most of you will laugh at this idea, but I think most of the divisions can be traced back to the advent of right wing talk radio, specifically Rush Limbaugh.

I have been thinking and saying this exact same thing for a very long time.

Shocking that you two put the blame on a Republican.

Teetime wrote:So this “bombshell” is Russian intelligence the we somehow got our hands on and believe over our own intelligence agencies.

This sums it up....

“ Ratcliffe’s letter concedes that the U.S. intelligence community “does not know the accuracy” of the allegation that Mrs. Clinton personally orchestrated the collusion scandal; nor can our agencies say whether the Russian intelligence analysis in question is disinformation. Nevertheless, this allegation about Clinton’s role was obviously known to the Obama administration at the time.”

So, Russian rumor on a pee tape and other Russian intelligence on Trump- truth. Russian intelligence on Hillary- misinformation?

Is that what you're getting at?

And, what information from our own intelligence agencies are we to see on this matter?

Head Idiot wrote:
So, Russian rumor on a pee tape and other Russian intelligence on Trump- truth. Russian intelligence on Hillary- misinformation?

Is that what you're getting at?

And, what information from our own intelligence agencies are we to see on this matter?

I have no idea if that pee tape stuff is true. There is plenty of reason to believe that Russian intelligence might be false and meant to pull Americans apart.

I’m sure there is plenty of American intelligence at the disposal of Director Ratcliffe. Maybe it doesn’t say what a Ratcliffe wants us to hear.

It is supposed to be declassified as of Tuesday. We shall see. Maybe it will be a nothingburger and put in the same file as Schoft's irrefutable collusion evidence.

Can you at least admit, that if true, this is a huge scandal and pretty much invalidates the past four years of hearing "But Russia!" for everything?

The mueller report sorted out the Russia question. Did you read it?

I thought you were telling me that the story was already out and it was a huge scandal already...why hadn’t I already read the big story? Then it turns out it was Russia again. Why can’t you guys get out from under that Russian influence?

I'm hearing that they are planning on making the 2nd debate a virtual debate. Trump said this morning that if it's a virtual debate he won't waste his time on it. As I see it Trump has more to gain by having the debate than Biden does. Trump said that they are going to the virtual format just to protect Biden. Yes, probably to protect Biden from catching COVID from Trump.

Maybe the Trump campaign could send a life-sized cut-out and Biden could still debate.

Teetime wrote:

tps wrote:Google this "flynn exculpatory evidence"

What part of my Flynn summary is false.

you left out a few things...
https://nypost.com/2020/09/25/trump-was-right-about-ginned-up-russia-probe-fbi-texts/

HI alluded to this. The pee tape was investigated to the max. It was used as basis for FISA. The Hillary bullshit was not investigated. CIA referred it to the FBI. Was it true or not? don't know. But it was not investigated by FBI. Why? it was breifed to obama, in person. Must be important to brief in person but no investigation...why? i won't pretend to be a mind reader. I'll wait and see.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/29/john-ratcliffe-hillary-clinton-russia-423022

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-brennan-notes-cia-memo-clinton

"Ratcliffe declassified Brennan’s handwritten notes – which were taken after he briefed Obama on the intelligence the CIA received – and a CIA memo, which revealed that officials referred the matter to the FBI for potential investigative action."

This is the hot subject right now so I can understand the debate. But let’s all be honest here...there’s probably some part of this that’s true, just like there was probably some part of the Russian interference in the election of 2016 that’s true. Both sides are crooked as heck, and we are picking the lesser of two evils. I’m just tired of listening to the President of the United States talk and act like a child. He literally calls people that don’t agree with him politically names...every day. He’s an embarrassment to our country.

And how about Mike Pence challenging Kamala Harris and Biden on their religion last night...while he rides the coattails of Donald Trump...insert porn star joke here.

lefty120 wrote: Both sides are crooked as heck, and we are picking the lesser of two evils.

The fact that we are being forced to choose between the lesser of two evils illustrates how the two-party system is killing our country. Neither candidate is fit to run our country and neither are their VPs.

Making a choice between the lesser of two evils is no way to run a country.

dusty7 wrote:Making a choice between the lesser of two evils is no way to run a country.

Making that choice has ALWAYS been how we've run this country.

Speaking of talk radio, Trump to host the Rush Limbaugh Show tomorrow as a Virtual MAGA Rally.

(Shakes head)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-trump-talking-25th-amendment

Pelosi is just as bat-shit crazy as our President...thus the quandary our country finds itself in. Oh, and look up her personal wealth...it's a joke. She's quickly becoming the Mike Madigan of the Congress.

lefty120 wrote:Pelosi is just as bat-shit crazy as our President...thus the quandary our country finds itself in.  Oh, and look up her personal wealth...it's a joke.  She's quickly becoming the Mike Madigan of the Congress.

Truth.

Remember in 2018 when she promised to only do one term as Speaker if the squad would support her? I'm intrigued to see if that plays out. I doubt it.

EDIT- it was 2 more terms.

I have been wondering this for a while- WITHOUT mentioning or referencing Trump or his administration in any form, or playing to emotions, why should I, as a middle age, middle/upper middle class white man vote for Joe Biden?

lefty120 wrote:Pelosi is just as bat-shit crazy as our President...thus the quandary our country finds itself in.  Oh, and look up her personal wealth...it's a joke.  She's quickly becoming the Mike Madigan of the Congress.

I don't know if she's as crazy as Trump but she isn't real stable. It would be best if she muzzle this 25th Amendment business. Trump isn't going anywhere, at least not before January 20, 2021.

Head Idiot wrote:I have been wondering this for a while- WITHOUT mentioning or referencing Trump or his administration in any form, or playing to emotions, why should I, as a middle age, middle/upper middle class white man vote for Joe Biden?

I'm happy to answer that question, but first I'd like to know what you being white has to do with it.

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:I have been wondering this for a while- WITHOUT mentioning or referencing Trump or his administration in any form, or playing to emotions, why should I, as a middle age, middle/upper middle class white man vote for Joe Biden?

I'm happy to answer that question, but first I'd like to know what you being white has to do with it.

They have made a repeated point of offering assistance to blacks- just last week Harris gave an interview where she said they'd be offering money to help black businesses, not all businesses, just black ones. I just wanted to know if I were going to get anything or any any assistance for my whiteness.

Plus, you know, being a white male who's even involved remotely in law enforcement I'm pretty much Satan for your people.

Head Idiot wrote:I have been wondering this for a while- WITHOUT mentioning or referencing Trump or his administration in any form, or playing to emotions, why should I, as a middle age, middle/upper middle class white man vote for Joe Biden?

That's a really good question coach...and I think you're on to something. Personally, I have read up a bit on Biden's tax plan...it's similar to the Illinois tax plan that is on the ballot, but to my understanding it's tougher to change that what ours would be. It is a graduated system that would lower the taxes taken out of my check and raise it for those who make $170,000 or more...unless I move to a power plant district and become the Superintendent that's not going to happen. As I've stated before, there are issues with Obamacare and tweaking is certainly needed, but if Trump is allowed to take that away, millions will lose health care. I get it...the government and our tax dollars shouldn't help those less fortunate; they need to worry about themselves. I can see that end of the argument. The problem, and this is from my seat who lives with someone who's smarter than me about this stuff, if Obamacare is eliminated, we are still going to be paying for these people's healthcare...but it's going to be more expensive in the form of tax hikes. It's also important to remember, Obamacare isn't a free handout; my wife has sold over 350 Obamacare policies just in the last 2 years alone, and she said not one of them was to someone who didn't have to pay over half their premium. That's significant in my eyes. As the father of 3 boys, one of which is a freshmen right now, I like the idea of at least forgiving some of that student debt. To forgive it all is a pipe dream, but to make it more reasonable for a kid to go to college (insert college is a racket joke here) and not have to pay out the hind end when their done I'm all for. Trumps environmental policies are proven to not be in the best interest of the environment long term...at some point we are going to have to pay for all his deregulation of the fossil fuel industry; it just won't be in the next 4 years.

Listen, Biden is a typical Democrat...his programs are an expansion of government and will cost money. My issue right now is, I look around our country and I see an infrastructure that is failing. Healthcare, roads, other forms of transportation, education; it's all going bad, and it has been for a long time under many Presidents, both Republican and Democrat. At some point we are going to have to increase revenue to fix these things; some people don't want to deal with it because it doesn't affect their lives directly; I get that, I totally do. It's just the lens that I'm looking through. I'd love to hear your view on why I should vote for Trump! And I promise, no snarky remarks back. Heck, maybe you'll convince me to turn over a new leaf; not that my vote in Southern Illinois will matter anyway.

Head Idiot wrote:(Shakes head)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-trump-talking-25th-amendment

Many think there is something physically (or mentally) wrong with him since Walter Reed cut him loose. "Many people say" he is having a spell.

There are reasons for that thinking:

He disappeared for 24 hours or more. That almost never happens.
He promised a taped address on something before the end of day, never did it
He cut-off negotiations on a virus relief bill without consulting anyone (even staff)
He tweeted in all caps 200 times and many of those were "covfefe"
There are (anonymous) reports that he is despondent over polls

I'm worried about his heath. I'm sure people who love him are as well.

Head Idiot wrote:

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:I have been wondering this for a while- WITHOUT mentioning or referencing Trump or his administration in any form, or playing to emotions, why should I, as a middle age, middle/upper middle class white man vote for Joe Biden?

I'm happy to answer that question, but first I'd like to know what you being white has to do with it.

They have made a repeated point of offering assistance to blacks- just last week Harris gave an interview where she said they'd be offering money to help black businesses, not all businesses, just black ones. I just wanted to know if I were going to get anything or any any assistance for my whiteness.

Plus, you know, being a white male who's even involved remotely in law enforcement I'm pretty much Satan for your people.

I get what you're saying; but is this any different than Trump playing to the Christian faith base? They're both playing to get a certain electorate to vote for them. For Biden, it's the African American community since Trump has said some dumb shit about white supremacy. Trump plays to the Christian base due to the Democrats vowing to uphold a woman's choice. I honestly don't see a difference in strategy.