Coronavirus I

BirdWatcher wrote:
Not a student of history, eh?  The 2008 recession was due to the housing policies and repeal of Glass-Steigel under Clinton.  It took about a decade for those policies to create the bubble.... 

I remember we had lots of arguments about the blame for the 2008 financial crisis, this seems like a new excuse to me. I remember you thought the whole thing was just fake news meant to derail the candidacy of John McCain at the time. That was when I was warning what was coming and before the shit hit the fan.

Here are some look-back articles that I see now, none mentions Glass-Steigel


https://www.thebalance.com/2008-financial-crisis-3305679

https://irle.berkeley.edu/what-really-caused-the-great-recession/

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/02/28/25-major-factors-that-caused-or-contributed-to-the.aspx



It seems that a student of history like these authors would have thought of that Glass-Steigel bullshit.

This is the bill that repealed Glass-Stiegel...it was introduced by all Republicans, passed on a party line vote by Republicans and signed by Clinton as a lame duck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

Teetime wrote:But I wasn't asking about fatalities. I asked about cases.

You think all the European countries and other countries that include blacks and brown skinned people are understating the number of cases they have had? Intentionally, or out of ignorance? Why would they do that?

I think you misunderstood my response. My comment about Latinos and Blacks was pertaining to Americans. We're pretty sure China has massively under counted their casualties. As far as the other countries go not all countries use the same criteria in counting deaths. We have 330 million people. We aren't #1 in per capita deaths.

https://observatoryihr.org/news/china-russia-brazil-and-the-underreporting-of-covid-19-cases/

Again, I wasn't talking about deaths. We have the most cases by a mile. How could that be?

Europe is 1% African descendants as a whole. The US is 12%.

European Latinos lack the amount of native DNA that western hemisphere (wait, what does that mean again?) Latinos have. You know, the people who died in the millions from exposure to such horrible diseases like the cold and the flu when the Europeans came over. Perhaps that plays a role.

Stupid me, it's because we oppressed them. So dumb of me. Apologies.

Teetime wrote:Again, I wasn't talking about deaths. We have the most cases by a mile. How could that be?

I don't know why. Also the number of US cases is way off. Total US cases are listed at about 1.55 million. If they accurately tested everyone in the country I'll bet the number of positive test for the antibodies would be closer to 30 million.

Teetime wrote:Again, I wasn't talking about deaths. We have the most cases by a mile. How could that be?

We're the 3rd largest population in the world the furthest from the equator with the largest minority populations with the "freest" press in the world?

Teetime wrote:Again, I wasn't talking about deaths. We have the most cases by a mile. How could that be?

Ok. I'll bite.

I will venture two guesses:

1. The United States has the 3rd largest population in the world and most of those people live in urban areas with a very high population density that is susceptible to a new infectious disease.

2. Americans live in a free and open society (relative to many other countries in the world) and would not tolerate the draconian restrictions on freedom that many foreign governments imposed on citizens in an effort to contain the virus.

19delta wrote:

2. Americans live in a free and open society (relative to many other countries in the world) and would not tolerate the draconian restrictions on freedom that many foreign governments imposed on citizens in an effort to contain the virus.

Unless you live in a deeply blue state/area.

Head Idiot wrote:

19delta wrote:

2. Americans live in a free and open society (relative to many other countries in the world) and would not tolerate the draconian restrictions on freedom that many foreign governments imposed on citizens in an effort to contain the virus.

Unless you live in a deeply blue state/area.

Eh...even in those areas, none of the restrictions came close to what the authorities in countries like China and Singapore implemented.

19delta wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:

19delta wrote:

2. Americans live in a free and open society (relative to many other countries in the world) and would not tolerate the draconian restrictions on freedom that many foreign governments imposed on citizens in an effort to contain the virus.

Unless you live in a deeply blue state/area.

Eh...even in those areas, none of the restrictions came close to what the authorities in countries like China and Singapore implemented.

True, the Chinese shut down public transportation as well as all highways leaving Wuhan in late January, not long after the start of the outbreak.

Head Idiot wrote:

Teetime wrote:Again, I wasn't talking about deaths. We have the most cases by a mile. How could that be?

We're the 3rd largest population in the world the furthest from the equator with the largest minority populations with the "freest" press in the world?

So that seems like a logical answer. What do minorities have to do with the number of cases? Do minorities catch the virus easier than whites? If so, is that true in South America and Africa as well?

What does a free press have to do with it. Aren’t case numbers accumulated by government agencies in each country?

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:

Teetime wrote:Again, I wasn't talking about deaths. We have the most cases by a mile. How could that be?

We're the 3rd largest population in the world the furthest from the equator with the largest minority populations with the "freest" press in the world?

So that seems like a logical answer. What do minorities have to do with the number of cases? Do minorities catch the virus easier than whites? If so, is that true in South America and Africa as well?

What does a free press have to do with it. Aren’t case numbers accumulated by government agencies in each country?

There's just not one reason why the black infection rate as well as fatality rate is much higher. Here is a pretty good explanation.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/04/coronavirus-disproportionately-impacts-african-americans/

Teetime wrote:

Head Idiot wrote:

Teetime wrote:Again, I wasn't talking about deaths. We have the most cases by a mile. How could that be?

We're the 3rd largest population in the world the furthest from the equator with the largest minority populations with the "freest" press in the world?

So that seems like a logical answer. What do minorities have to do with the number of cases? Do minorities catch the virus easier than whites? If so, is that true in South America and Africa as well?

What does a free press have to do with it. Aren’t case numbers accumulated by government agencies in each country?

Minorities matter because they typically seem to be getting sicker, thus requiring them to go to the hospital and get tested. I don't think they get it at higher rates, they just get tested more because they get sicker. I'm sure there are MILLIONS of people who have already had this, didn't get sick and just didn't get tested.

And, as you said, it isn't effecting Africa and South America because it's summer there. You know, the whole magical hemisphere thing.

Do you really think that 1, China published the actual numbers and 2, their media would be allowed to report it if they had?

And, on a personal observation note- at least in my neighborhood- the biggest "violators" of the social distancing orders have been the African American homes. One house has had a basketball/house party with at least 10 cars and a BBQ going on with 20 people there at least once a weekend since March 15th. On Easter, one home had at least 50 people there.

5/18 Numbers: (Change after 4 days)
Illinois:
Total New Cases - 2,294 (-138)
Total New Deaths - 57 (-73)
Positivity Rate - 2,294/21,297 - 10.77% (+1.62%)
New Infection Per Capita -2,294/12,500,000 - .018% (-.03%)
New Infection 7 Day Average - 2,497 (-245)
1,096 of 3,870 ICU Beds In Use- 28.3% (-2.2%)
636 of 5,655 Vents in Use - 11.25% (-1.9%)

Wisconsin:
Total New Cases - 144 (-266)
Total New Deaths - 6 (-5)
Positivity Rate - 144/4828 - 2.98% (-3.79%)
New Infection Per Capita - 144/5,822,200 - .00025 (-.00155)
New Infection 7 Day Average - 324 (+25)
128 of 1,395 ICU Bed in Use - 9.17% (-.87%)
295 of 1251 Vents in Use - 23.58% (-2.29%)

Still have not seen a significant increase in WI due to opening and Illinois numbers are starting to fall but for some reason, I suspect a dramatic rise on Tues or Wed as we have see through this entire process.

Head Idiot wrote:And, on a personal observation note- at least in my neighborhood- the biggest "violators" of the social distancing orders have been the African American homes.

A friend in Law Enforcement from Michigan echoed those same comments. He said Western Michigan was mostly in compliance, but Eastern (Detroit metro) was a disaster.

Something still is wrong with the case total.

USA has a population of 330,775,000 but has 1,554,890 cases.

The next six highest case count countries have a population 181% that of the USA (when totaled together) but only total 1,487,744 cases.
Those six countries all have large cities, public transportation systems, a free press (except Russia), mixed racial make-up and one is even in the Southern Hemisphere.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si

Something else has got to be the cause of this tremendous mathematical anomaly?

What else could be the cause?

Teetime wrote:Something still is wrong with the case total.

USA has a population of 330,775,000 but has 1,554,890 cases.

The next six highest case count countries have a population 181% that of the USA (when totaled together) but only total 1,487,744 cases.
Those six countries all have large cities, public transportation systems, a free press (except Russia), mixed racial make-up and one is even in the Southern Hemisphere.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si

Something else has got to be the cause of this tremendous mathematical anomaly?

What else could be the cause?

Massachusetts - 87,000 cases
New York - 361,000 cases
Pennsylvania - 66,500 cases
Maryland - 41,500 cases
Washington, DC - 7,400 cases

Total cases in these states- 563,000+. Cities in and around these states, including Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington, DC, (BosWash) make up about 15% of the population of the United States yet account for more than 33% of the total number of US Covid-19 cases.

Tremendous mathematical anomaly, indeed!

145 deaths today but 1545 new cases is a move in the right direction. The death stats will lag a bit behind as things improve. I'm hoping that there will be football practice before the end of June.

Where is Pritzker? I mean, physically.

I just saw a study that 20% of New York's population have had the Coronavirus based on antibody tests. A new report from S Korea shows that once you have the virus you do develop immunity. This is often the case with viruses but until today this has been questioned by some experts when referring to COVID-19. If they ever figure out how many people in the US have had the virus it may very well be less than the 0.5% fatality rate that I originally thought. If this latest NY report is close to being accurate that would put the NY fatality rate at about 0.01%

5/19 Numbers: (Change Using 5/15 as a Base)
Illinois:
Total New Cases - 1545 (-887)
Total New Deaths - 145 (+15)
Positivity Rate -1545/18,443 - 8.38% (-.77%)
New Infection Per Capita -1,545/12,500,000 - .012% (-.009%)
New Infection 7 Day Average - 2,144 (-598)
993 of 3,910 ICU Beds In Use- 25.40% (-5.1%)57
576 of 5,429 Vents in Use - 10.61% (-2.54%)

Wisconsin:
Total New Cases - 198 (-212)
Total New Deaths - 8 (-3)
Positivity Rate - 198/3,735 - 5.30% (-1.47%)
New Infection Per Capita - 198/5,822,200 - .00034% (-.00036)
New Infection 7 Day Average - 325 (+26)
128 of 1,395 ICU Bed in Use - 9.17% (-.87%) (no change from yesterday)
295 of 1255 Vents in Use - 23.58% (-2.29%) (no change from yesterday)

Some additional Illinois statistics:
3,944 or 4379 deaths in NE region alone = 90% of total deaths

Of those 3,944 deaths in the NE region, 3,444 = 87% have been in long term living facilities.

3,774 deaths have been for those over the age of 60, which is 86%.

The more data we get, the more this virus is not a deadly concern for most healthy individuals under the age of 60. Still a concern, but not a deadly concern.

dusty7 wrote:5/19 Numbers: (Change Using 5/15 as a Base)
Illinois:
Total New Cases - 1545 (-887)
Total New Deaths - 145 (+15)
Positivity Rate -1545/18,443 - 8.38% (-.77%)
New Infection Per Capita -1,545/12,500,000 - .012% (-.009%)
New Infection 7 Day Average - 2,144 (-598)
993 of 3,910 ICU Beds In Use- 25.40% (-5.1%)57
576 of 5,429 Vents in Use - 10.61% (-2.54%)

Wisconsin:
Total New Cases - 198 (-212)
Total New Deaths - 8 (-3)
Positivity Rate - 198/3,735 - 5.30% (-1.47%)
New Infection Per Capita - 198/5,822,200 - .00034%  (-.00036)
New Infection 7 Day Average - 325 (+26)
128 of 1,395 ICU Bed in Use - 9.17% (-.87%) (no change from yesterday)
295 of 1255 Vents in Use - 23.58% (-2.29%) (no change from yesterday)

Some additional Illinois statistics:
3,944 or 4379 deaths in NE region alone = 90% of total deaths

Of those 3,944 deaths in the NE region, 3,444 = 87% have been in long term living facilities.

3,774 deaths have been for those over the age of 60, which is 86%.  

The more data we get, the more this virus is not a deadly concern for most healthy individuals under the age of 60.  Still a concern, but not a deadly concern.  

Wow, I knew that the majority of the fatalities were those over 75 but I didn't realize how bad it was statewide with the nursing homes. Now that I think of it probably about 80% of Sangamon County's fatalities are from one nursing home. A couple weeks ago I talked to a woman who is a co director of an independent Senior living facility in Springfield. They've had no issues there but she seemed to know all about what had occurred at the Villas in Sherman, where over 20 people have died. She told me that the proper protocols weren't followed there. There are good nursing homes and some that aren't and a lot of elderly folks died in Illinois and nationwide because they weren't properly protected.
You don't hear much about this on the national news, they show stories about children and middle aged folks who have died but don't talk much about the elderly. Never mind the fact that most of the casualties are elderly. I guess it doesn't fit their narrative of frightening the general public and trying to convince them we mustn't open the economy too soon.

19delta wrote:Massachusetts - 87,000 cases
New York - 361,000 cases
Pennsylvania - 66,500 cases
Maryland - 41,500 cases
Washington, DC - 7,400 cases

Total cases in these states- 563,000+. Cities in and around these states, including Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington, DC, (BosWash) make up about 15% of the population of the United States yet account for more than 33% of the total number of US Covid-19 cases.

Tremendous mathematical anomaly, indeed!

No, that’s not it either. All of those six other countries that are in the top seven in cases have large metropolitan areas that were also hard hit. Those cities have public transportation and represent similarly large percentages of the total population of their countries.

For example just two hard hit cities in Russia comprise 11.3% of the total population, in Spain two cities with the most cases make up 20.3% of total population. In Brazil the four cities with the greatest number of cases account for 22% of all Brazilians. London had the most cases in the UK and it alone makes up 12.5% of the citizenry.

So I think you pointed out a distinction without a difference.

No, something else is the cause of the USA having such an inordinately high number of cases as compared to the rest of the world....what could that be?

OSUBucks wrote: You don't hear much about this on the national news, they show stories about children and middle aged folks who have died but don't talk much about the elderly. Never mind the fact that most of the casualties are elderly. I guess it doesn't fit their narrative of frightening the general public and trying to convince them we mustn't open the economy too soon.

Bull crap.

There is not any conspiracy among news organizations to hide stories about nursing homes or meat packing plants. Hell, it seems like every other news story mentions those two....who, along with prisons comprise a huge percentage of the deaths from the virus.
I just saw where the State of Arizona won’t release any info about meat plants or nursing homes for fear that the public will lose confidence in those institutions. In Ohio they were going about testing all prisoners until they found how incredibly high the infection percentages were....so they stopped testing.

The opening of the economy is set in stone in almost every State, including Illinois. States are opening and as one of the only liberals on this board, I’m happy that is happening.