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Post by Head Idiot on Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:56 pm

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Post by newcom on Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:54 pm

It would be nice to see a Governor/President or any Elected Official who did not spend the money we do not have Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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Post by Bighitter11 on Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:01 pm

If any of us did this shit at our jobs we would be canned. What a world we live in.
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Post by Teetime on Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:54 pm

From the Illinois Policy Institute, they hate Pritzker...

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-warns-illinois-state-agencies-to-brace-for-significant-budget-cuts/

Look at where state spending has gone over the last 20 years.


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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:58 pm

Teetime wrote:From the Illinois Policy Institute, they hate Pritzker...

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-warns-illinois-state-agencies-to-brace-for-significant-budget-cuts/

Look at where state spending has gone over the last 20 years.

Ya? You're point?

And you actually think the Dems in control are going to do something about that and risk infuriating their largest group of supporters?
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Post by Teetime on Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:01 pm

Head Idiot wrote:
Teetime wrote:From the Illinois Policy Institute, they hate Pritzker...

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-warns-illinois-state-agencies-to-brace-for-significant-budget-cuts/

Look at where state spending has gone over the last 20 years.

Ya? You're point?

And you actually think the Dems in control are going to do something about that and risk infuriating their largest group of supporters?

Do something about the meteoric rise in pensions and health insurance costs for their employees? No. Neither party can do anything...it's in the Illinois Constitution.

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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:03 pm

Exactly.

And the insane thing is- they STILL can't find people to fill those jobs.

A HS graduate can start making $50k/year in IDOC with fantastic benefits and retirement and they can't get enough people to apply to fill the positions.
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Post by OSUBucks on Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:52 pm

For years and years the Legislature with the approval of Governors skipped the annual pension payments. We had pension problems 60-70 years ago. It took a long time to create the problem and the problem will not be solved easily or quickly. As Tee said they are legally bound to pay it.
Years ago when I joined the work force most people were eager to work. There are a lot more people today who are just too lazy to find a job and keep it for any significant length of time. They are well versed though when it comes to living off the Government teat.
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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:07 pm

When I was at Clinton Alternative I was in the middle of my American History class and one by one kids are leaving my class and not coming back (they were free to leave class for the RR, etc, but they almost always came back). I went out to the common area and every kid in our program was gathered around one table listening with rapt attention to one kid talking. Some had pen and paper out and were taking notes. I didn't interrupt, but instead wanted to know what this important information was. Some of these kids I didn't even know had a pencil.

He was telling them step by step how to draw disability.
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Post by BirdWatcher on Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:22 pm

My brother-in-law and I are the same age. We both retired in 2012, he from the State, me from a private company. Because he's a state retiree, I can see how much he draws in pension.... $60k.... while I'm down around $40k.

I love it when he poor-mouths about how tough it is to be on a "fixed income."

P.S. His wife still works as an operating engineer. Ya, they're suffering....

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Post by 19delta on Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:17 pm

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a tax increase if they used the money to pay stuff off. But that never happens. Tax increases almost always result in new government programs.

So not only does the old debt not get paid off, but new debt gets added to it.
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Post by lefty120 on Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:18 pm

19delta wrote:I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a tax increase if they used the money to pay stuff off. But that never happens. Tax increases almost always result in new government programs.

So not only does the old debt not get paid off, but new debt gets added to it.

This is very true, and almost impossible for someone to argue against.

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Post by lefty120 on Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:22 pm

Head Idiot wrote:Exactly.

And the insane thing is- they STILL can't find people to fill those jobs.

A HS graduate can start making $50k/year in IDOC with fantastic benefits and retirement and they can't get enough people to apply to fill the positions.

It’s amazing to me how things have changed. We have advertised at least 10 positions in our district in the last 5 years...many had extra duties to make more money. ¬†Our district pays a good portion of family healthy insurance and our base is above most schools in our area. Oh, and if you teach a 6th class in a 7 period day you make an extra $7500 each year. Otherwise you get paid to have two plan periods. Of those double digit number of positions we’ve advertised, they’ve either gone unfilled or we’ve hired someone moving back to Salem who was originally from here. We had a PE position last year and had 0 applicants...0. For PE!

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