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Post by general maximus on Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:57 pm

Hey guys, been a while since I posted, but have been lurking on occasion. Anyway, we were having a discussion the other day about the prevalence of Head Coaches, specifically Football and Basketball that are also administrators in some capacity or another. Such as Principal, Assist Principal, or AD. Many of you have a great cross section of knowledge regarding the state and coaches in your area. So could you help with this? Just list the info below.

Example

John Doe....AD/AP/Princ/Dean.....Football/Basketball..... Mt. Union High School.



Thanks guys, appreciate it. Stay safe out there.

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Post by Bighitter11 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:00 am

Jeff Reents Assistant Principal, HFC - Wilmington HS
Dan Hutchings AD, HFC - Coal City
Mike Kohl AD, HFC - Bradley Bourbonnais
Brian Spooner Dean, HFC - Clifton Central
R.J. Haines Dean - Manteno
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Post by wolverine55 on Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:42 am

Iowa, if it helps:

Zach Summers, AD and Head Basketball Coach, Keokuk

Zach Shay, AD and HFC, Burlington (but resigned two days ago to take AD only at Bettendorf)
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Post by ramblinman on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:05 pm

30 years or so ago, there was a guy by the name of Pat Arthurs at Holy Cross in River Grove (the school that merged with Mother Guerin HS to become Guerin Prep). Here is his Linked In entry for his time there:

"Head Football Coach--Director of Admissions, Public Relations & Fiscal Development
Company NameHoly Cross High School
Dates EmployedAug 1986 – Jun 1991
Employment Duration4 yrs 11 mos
Directed football activities for a four year high school program. Assisted in hiring/evaluating assistant coaches. Provided input for program budget/spending. Designed/Implemented year round strength/conditioning program. Organized Summer camp activities for students 9-12. Organized/Implemented public relations efforts. Organized school & athletic department fund raising events. Assisted in planning public service activities."

Something tells me he also coached track. Not sure of that, though.

He went on to become HC at Yorkville and OC at York.
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Post by ramblinman on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:07 pm

The late, great John Hoerster at Loyola Academy was varsity football HC at the same time as he was AD. Prior to being the AD, he was the Director of Admissions.
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Post by general maximus on Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:45 am

Who else in other parts of the state?


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Post by lefty120 on Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:19 am

Brett Detering at Anna Jonesboro HFC and Principal.

On a side note, it kills me some of these districts that do not give coaches the chance to be administrators. I understand asking them to choose if things don’t work out after a year or so, but come on. I know we aren’t unique in the fact that we can’t get people to apply for just regular teaching jobs anymore, let alone people who can coach too. In the current climate in public school education in Illinois, it’s awfully short cited to have that mind set in my opinion.

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Post by lefty120 on Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:20 am

ramblinman wrote:30 years or so ago, there was a guy by the name of Pat Arthurs at Holy Cross in River Grove (the school that merged with Mother Guerin HS to become Guerin Prep).  Here is his Linked In entry for his time there:  

"Head Football Coach--Director of Admissions, Public Relations & Fiscal Development
Company NameHoly Cross High School
Dates EmployedAug 1986 – Jun 1991
Employment Duration4 yrs 11 mos
Directed football activities for a four year high school program. Assisted in hiring/evaluating assistant coaches. Provided input for program budget/spending. Designed/Implemented year round strength/conditioning program. Organized Summer camp activities for students 9-12. Organized/Implemented public relations efforts. Organized school & athletic department fund raising events. Assisted in planning public service activities."

Something tells me he also coached track.  Not sure of that, though.  

He went on to become HC at Yorkville and OC at York.

He was an assistant coach when I played at Elmhurst College. OL coach. He seemed like a really good dude. Only coached for one year, but my teammates and I liked him.

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Post by mc140 on Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:45 am

Admin is not allowed to coach where I am at. Only exception is when an in district coach gets hired late summer. They will let them coach a fall sport for one more year. I think that has happened only twice though in 15 plus years.

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Post by net on Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:21 pm

ken leonard, ad & coaches soccer.
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Post by Big E on Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:06 am

Greg King has been Head Football and Asst. football while being AD
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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:54 am

Big E wrote:Greg King has been Head Football and Asst. football while being AD
I've heard that guy is a real prick.
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Post by general maximus on Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:32 pm

lefty120 wrote:Brett Detering at Anna Jonesboro HFC and Principal.

On a side note, it kills me some of these districts that do not give coaches the chance to be administrators. I understand asking them to choose if things don’t work out after a year or so, but come on.  I know we aren’t unique in the fact that we can’t get people to apply for just regular teaching jobs anymore, let alone people who can coach too. In the current climate in public school education in Illinois, it’s awfully short cited to have that mind set in my opinion.

This is precisely the argument I was having. The pool is shallow in both admin and coaching pools. I totally get the conflict of interest part, but if the guy is not being equitable, then he really shouldn't be doing both roles and that can be rectified moving forward.

Thanks for the responses and keep listing them if you can think of any. Even recently retired would work also.

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Post by wolverine55 on Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:07 pm

Rick Little, Dean, HFC Quincy

Mark Grounds, Dean, HFC Jacksonville
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Post by wolverine55 on Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:16 pm

More Iowa ones but my AD didn’t give me actual names on some:

Curt Ritchie, listed as “administration”, HFC Williamsburg
AD, Head Wrestling Coach, Washington
AD, Head Girls Track, Mt. Pleasant
AD, Head Tennis Coach, Fort Madison
Ryan Parker, AD, Head Basketball, Oskaloosa
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Post by center on Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:22 pm

The admin/coaching match is becoming rare in our area. The Big Northern does not have an AD that coaches at all.

Kyle Zick at Forreston is AD/Asst. Principal/HFC.

Rochelle used to have Kevin Crandall as AD/HFC but he retired.

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Post by Big E on Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:56 am

+2 HI
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Post by #35 on Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:05 am

Milledgeville & Polo HFC's also are AD's. Former West Carroll HFC, now at Stockton, was AD. ADs at Sterling, Amboy & Morrison are AFCs.

Only instance I know of a Superintendent/HFC was Shawn Teske at Warren in 2018. Warren then co-oped with a Wisconsin school the next year.

Tom Jobst was assistant director of curriculum at Marquette the first couple of years as HC.

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Post by wolverine55 on Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:01 pm

Parker resigned the basketball position due to health reasons but his replacement fits the bill as well:

Brandon Lenhart, Head Basketball, At-Risk Coordinator, Oskaloosa
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Post by OldTitan on Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:57 pm

wolverine55 wrote:Parker resigned the basketball position due to health reasons but his replacement fits the bill as well:

Brandon Lenhart, Head Basketball, At-Risk Coordinator, Oskaloosa

Pretty sure general maximus no longer cares about this thread.
Cavanaugh resigns
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Post by Head Idiot on Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:04 pm

OldTitan wrote:
Pretty sure general maximus no longer cares about this thread.
Cavanaugh resigns
  I didn’t play for him, but my younger brother, Tyson Reed, was on one of the first teams that Cavanaugh coached. He was a star running back as a pee-wee player and on the super bowl winning team. He started getting notoriety and Cavanaugh didn’t like that. He saw little playing time after that and his plans of playing college football along with his self-esteem was completely drained by Cavanaugh
There are not enough eye roll emojis in the world for this quote.

Also, I seem to remember someone talking about this kinda stuff happening...
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:50 am

Head Idiot wrote:
OldTitan wrote:
Pretty sure general maximus no longer cares about this thread.
Cavanaugh resigns
  I didn’t play for him, but my younger brother, Tyson Reed, was on one of the first teams that Cavanaugh coached. He was a star running back as a pee-wee player and on the super bowl winning team. He started getting notoriety and Cavanaugh didn’t like that. He saw little playing time after that and his plans of playing college football along with his self-esteem was completely drained by Cavanaugh
There are not enough eye roll emojis in the world for this quote.

Also, I seem to remember someone talking about this kinda stuff happening...

This is a bad deal no matter which way you shake it!

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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:50 pm

lefty120 wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
OldTitan wrote:
Pretty sure general maximus no longer cares about this thread.
Cavanaugh resigns
  I didn’t play for him, but my younger brother, Tyson Reed, was on one of the first teams that Cavanaugh coached. He was a star running back as a pee-wee player and on the super bowl winning team. He started getting notoriety and Cavanaugh didn’t like that. He saw little playing time after that and his plans of playing college football along with his self-esteem was completely drained by Cavanaugh
There are not enough eye roll emojis in the world for this quote.

Also, I seem to remember someone talking about this kinda stuff happening...

This is a bad deal no matter which way you shake it!  
No doubt, but the "journalism" being done on this is complete crap. Modern journalism where you source everything off Facebook is a vile institution. The media has essentially become every idiot you run into that starts every sentence with "I seen on Facebook".

And we wonder why people are so dumb.
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Post by OldTitan on Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:09 pm

It just takes one board election, changed super, or parent with pull to end a coaching tenure.

I didn’t play for him, but my younger brother, Tyson Reed, was on one of the first teams that Cavanaugh coached. He was a star running back as a pee-wee player and on the super bowl winning team. He started getting notoriety and Cavanaugh didn’t like that. He saw little playing time after that and his plans of playing college football along with his self-esteem was completely drained by Cavanaugh

Using that quote is so typical of local journalism and so ridiculous. Just to be clear, the Superbowl he is referring to is a championship game for small school Vermilion County youth football. Being a superstar runningback in that league means you got leg hair before anyone else.

I do not know anything about the situation, but this journalism is indefensible.
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Post by wolverine55 on Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:20 pm

One of the common themes I’ve seen in coaching over the years is this: the players who “lose their enjoyment” are the ones who were gifted in youth sports and didn’t have to work very hard to be one of the best players. Then, when they get older and , gasp, have to actually be coached they lose their enjoyment of the game....
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