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Post by OSUBucks on Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:18 pm

Who will be the Bears starting QB by the time we get to the end of the 2020 season (if we have a season)? Using high draft picks for QB's are the picks that can make or break the fortunes of a team for years. After a decent rookie year last year was a regression for Trubisky who was erratic all year. The biggest excuse you can make for him is the fact that the run game was really poor last year. The Bears passed up Mahomes with all the obvious arm talent he displayed in college as well as Watson, who carried Clemson to a NC to take Trubisky and right now it's looking like a decision that could ultimately cost Pace his job.
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Post by Head Idiot on Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:22 pm

Trubisky's biggest issue is the guy on the other end of the speaker in his helmet.
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Post by Teetime on Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:26 pm

That, plus he can’t throw the ball where he intends to tHow the ball.

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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:00 am

Teetime wrote:That, plus he can’t throw the ball where he intends to tHow the ball.
He could the year before. Nagy seemed to go out of his way at times to call plays to make Trubisky look bad like he wanted to prove a point.

Remember that winning streak they went on when the moved Trubisky around the pocket, he ran the ball, they ran the ball and they won a bunch of games. They completely abandoned those concepts at the end of the year. They went back to the, don't ever run, straight drop back and let everyone tee off.

Your average Nagy offensive series has about three variations

Variation 1-
Play 1- bubble screen that loses 2 yards (because that's the same as a running play- DUH)
Play 2- incredibly hard throw that maybe 5 guys can complete
Play 3- either try to get Robinson to bail you out, or deep patterns with a straight drop that gets Trubisky murdered.
Play 4- punt and glare at Trubisky

Variation 2
Play 1- run with Montgomery. Gain 7 yards
Play 2- slant to Robinson. First down
Play 3- run with Montgomery. Gain 7 yards (Montgomery won't touch the ball for 16 mins of game time after this carry).
Play 4- double WR reverse pass or wildcat- lose 7 yards
Play 5- bubble screen. Gain 5 yards.
Play 6- punt

Variation 3
Play 1- use Patterson for something- usually goes well
Play 2- run with Cohen- lose 5 yards. What was his average yes per touch last year? 1yd?
Play 3- something off the wall
Play 4- irrationally go for it on 4th and 4 on your own 35 when you punted on 4th and 6 inches on the 45 going in last series.

The man can't quit being "him". They're sabotaged by a random stupid trick bullcrap and his refusal to admit that sometimes you just need to run the ball and play defense more often than they are by Trubisky. He has to absolutely prove he's the smartest man in the room at all times. Ever seen one of his press conferences?
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Post by wolverine55 on Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:13 am

I do think it's important to remember that the Bears weren't the only team that valued the quarterbacks the way they did. Literally half the league had Trubisky rated ahead of Mahomes and Watson. In doing a very quick search, I found one source that did rate the Bears at a D+ for drafting Trubisky, but the Texans only received a C- for Watson and the Chiefs a C for Mahomes. I found one source that even had Deshone Kizer (or whatever his name from Sally N D was) ahead of Mahomes.

That being said, it's amazing how accurate HI's description of the Bears offense is...
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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:50 pm

I would pay money to know what opposing defensive coordinators say about the Bears' offense in their private meetings.
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Post by OSUBucks on Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:05 pm

The majority of draft analysts questioned the Bears moving up to #2 then taking Trubisky. Hell, if they hadn't moved up he still would have been available for them. It still could work out for the Bears, I hope it does. The Bears are giving Foles a lot of money though, a lot more than you'd give a guy just to hold a clipboard.
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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:18 pm

OSUBucks wrote:The majority of draft analysts questioned the Bears moving up to #2 then taking Trubisky. Hell, if they hadn't moved up he still would have been available for them. It still could work out for the Bears, I hope it does. The Bears are giving Foles a lot of money though, a lot more than you'd give a guy just to hold a clipboard.
IIRC most questioned the Chiefs drafting Mahomes. Especially having Smith and being successful with him.
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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:09 pm

This is from USA today in 2017
Patrick Mahomes, QB Texas Tech — Kansas City Chiefs (from Buffalo)
Grade: C-
Analysis: Calling Mahomes a project is a major understatement. He’s nowhere near ready to play in the NFL. And, honestly, he may never be. Between his inconsistent accuracy due to poor mechanics, his tendency to bail from clean pockets and his lack of field vision, he’s going to leave as many big plays on the field as he creates. This was a risky pick.

They also ripped the Trubisky pick.
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Post by OSUBucks on Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:16 pm

Head Idiot wrote:This is from USA today in 2017
Patrick Mahomes, QB Texas Tech — Kansas City Chiefs (from Buffalo)
Grade: C-
Analysis: Calling Mahomes a project is a major understatement. He’s nowhere near ready to play in the NFL. And, honestly, he may never be. Between his inconsistent accuracy due to poor mechanics, his tendency to bail from clean pockets and his lack of field vision, he’s going to leave as many big plays on the field as he creates. This was a risky pick.

They also ripped the Trubisky pick.

Now that's what I call a bad evaluation. You would think that a guy that could get a job working for an NFL team would really be good at what he does. There are more than a few that just must be good at bullshitting their way through interviews because they prove to be out of their element when evaluating talent or coaching players.
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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:32 pm

Mike Mayock had Trubisky behind Watson, but ahead of Mahomes going into the draft and the ESPN guys had him above both.
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Post by wolverine55 on Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:13 pm

Yeah, the point of my post was not to exonerate the Bears for making the mistake, but to point out there are a lot of people in and/or associated with pro football aren't good at evaluating QBs.

And, I declared the Bears got the steal of the draft whatever year it was they drafted Cade McNown...so I'm apparently not very good at it either... Embarassed
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Post by OSUBucks on Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:47 pm

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Post by newcom on Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:45 pm

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Post by OSUBucks on Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:29 pm

newcom wrote:Foles

I'm leaning towards Foles too.
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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:37 pm

Saw a mock NFL draft meme that had the Bears trading to 20 to pick "Offensive skill position for Matt Nagy to misuse".

I found that hilariously appropriate.
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Post by OSUBucks on Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:52 am

Well the Bears now have 10 TE's on their roster. The kid from ND had better be the starter within 2 years.
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Post by wolverine55 on Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:07 am

The pick seems solid, albeit I have no idea why they have that many TEs on the roster now. I would guess at least half of them should be asking to be cut right now to land on other teams because obviously Kmet and Jimmy Graham are going to be two of the ones on the final roster. I would think Demetrius Harris is the third. Doesn't leave much room for the other guys.
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Post by Head Idiot on Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:12 pm

Maybe they'll move one of them to OL where they have gaping holes?

For the like 10th consecutive season.
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Post by wolverine55 on Sun May 03, 2020 10:38 am

OSUBucks wrote:The majority of draft analysts questioned the Bears moving up to #2 then taking Trubisky. Hell, if they hadn't moved up he still would have been available for them. It still could work out for the Bears, I hope it does. The Bears are giving Foles a lot of money though, a lot more than you'd give a guy just to hold a clipboard.

I think I missed this post the first time around. You are correct. Most were questioning the trade, not necessarily the pick selection.

I was coming on here to post that 2017 is shaping up to be a horrible draft, at least at the top end. Four of the top five picks have now had their fifth year option not picked up by their current teams.
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Post by Teetime on Mon May 04, 2020 4:48 pm

I heard on the radio that of the top five picks in the 2017 draft, four did not have their fifth year option picked up and the fifth one was still up in the air.


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Post by Bighitter11 on Tue May 05, 2020 9:15 am

Give me Trubisky. Foles cant stay healthy for a full season. They have both put up pretty similar numbers over their careers. They added Graham and Kmet at Tight End and Signed Ted Ginn who probably wont put up huge numbers but is still fast enough to draw some attentions from the safetys. Here are the real keys.

1) The Offensive Line has to be better otherwise it doesnt matter who is behind center
2) Nagy has to call a much better game, commit to the run and open up the play action game
3) Mitch needs preseason game reps quit trying to your offense
4) Mitch needs to step up his game as well
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Post by wolverine55 on Wed May 06, 2020 1:04 pm

Colin Cowherd just said half of the first round picks from 2017 haven't had their fifth year options picked up by the teams that drafted them. That sounds awful, but I'll admit I haven't done any research on how that compares to other drafts or when the current contract system for first round picks started even.
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Post by Head Idiot on Wed May 06, 2020 3:39 pm

wolverine55 wrote:Colin Cowherd just said half of the first round picks from 2017 haven't had their fifth year options picked up by the teams that drafted them.  That sounds awful, but I'll admit I haven't done any research on how that compares to other drafts or when the current contract system for first round picks started even.
Most things coming out of Colin Cowherd's mouth sound pretty awful.
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