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Post by awm on Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:54 pm

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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:05 pm

This should be interesting.

I wonder how many 8man football teams will happen out of this?
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Post by wolverine55 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:23 pm

I understand people being resistant to change, but based on my experience in Iowa, I do think most fans, schools, and coaches will like this once they see it play out for a year or two.
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Post by Bighitter11 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:47 pm

We have 2 Openings on our exhibition schedule starting in 2021 if anyone is open.
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:53 pm

As someone who has been involved with IHSA football for over 30 years as a fan, player, assistant coach, and head coach, I canít tell you how fearful I am for the future of our game. As BH said, the fact we play 2 meaningless games at the beginning of the season just floors me.

I am not against change...quite the contrary...but I am against meaningless change. This is a direct reflection of our immediate gratification society trying to fix a problem that only affects a small % of its membership.

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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:57 pm

lefty120 wrote:This is a direct reflection of our immediate gratification society trying to fix a problem that only affects a small % of its membership.
Given how many teams have conference jumped to get to 5 wins in the past decade, I don't think this affects a small % of its membership.
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:13 pm

Donít be fooled by the small number of loud voices. And letís be real here...who cares if teams are conference jumping?? †The only teams that this is really helping are those that canít find games to fill there schedule. Then the number REALLY drops! †If a team moves conferences Iíd be willing to bet 99% of them are improving their situation. Again, who cares? Good for them.

2 meaningless games to start the season is going to have a MUCH different impact than what the framers of this proposal intended.


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Post by Huck on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:15 pm

I am curious as to what impact you think these 2 games will have vs. what you feel the framers intended.
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Post by wolverine55 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:17 pm

lefty120 wrote:As someone who has been involved with IHSA football for over 30 years as a fan, player, assistant coach, and head coach, I canít tell you how fearful I am for the future of our game. As BH said, the fact we play 2 meaningless games at the beginning of the season just floors me.

I am not against change...quite the contrary...but I am against meaningless change. This is a direct reflection of our immediate gratification society trying to fix a problem that only affects a small % of its membership.

I have no idea how you get the "instant gratification" problem out of this decision.
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:33 pm

Framers intention which has been very clear from the start is to allow teams to keep geographic rivalries (which I get), and to allow teams to schedule tougher non conference opponents without fear of losing and not getting to 5 wins.

My issue, and one I think is shared by those who are also against this, is that these games are going to become glorified scrimmages. Iíll be honest, and you can question me all you want, itís just my opinion, but Iíll have to think real hard about how much our best players are going to risk season ending injury in 2 games that mean nothing in the playoff picture.

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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:34 pm

I just think that there were a lot of coaches / administrators that listened to a small number of people on this and didnít really educate themselves. They heard there was a problem, and they were told this fixes it. So they voted for it.


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Post by awm on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Most other states do this. IL was an anomaly. Some states are now even using districts/regions with a computer rating component to determine qualifiers.

It was stupid to begin with that classes weren't determined at the start of the season. No more guessing class and wondering how the playoff seedings will play out on that last Saturday with arbitrary matchups. (quadrants? 1-16? Will we be sent west or south?)

And if you think those one or two games out of district are meaningless then maybe you shouldn't participate in them. Non-district games are opportunities to build your program in the way that best fits your program. Want to schedule out of state powers to see what you have? Do it. I'd love to see Rochester play Webb City, MO. Comparable programs with lots of recent success. Would probably be nationally televised. Want to continue out of class rivalries? I highly doubt those games would be meaningless. Want to schedule yourself against state powers to increase $? I've seen that happen. Want to play out of area programs that are comparable to yours? How about having a game or two to figure out who your starting QB should be?

Next thing you know we will be talking about spring practice, scrimmage games and all other kinds of nonsense that other states do successfully.

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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:37 pm

lefty120 wrote:Donít be fooled by the small number of loud voices. And letís be real here...who cares if teams are conference jumping?? †The only teams that this is really helping are those that canít find games to fill there schedule. Then the number REALLY drops! †If a team moves conferences Iíd be willing to bet 99% of them are improving their situation. Again, who cares? Good for them.

2 meaningless games to start the season is going to have a MUCH different impact than what the framers of this proposal intended.
I would wager the other 28 sports that are continually jerked around just so someone can get a playoff hoodie probably cares about conference jumping. †I know that soccer kid in Lincoln that has to drive to Effingham on a Tuesday night just so the football team can hope to win 5 games cares. I know the volleyball girl that drives from Maroa to Pittsfield on a Thursday night because other area teams got sick of losing to their football team cares.

You can't possibly look at anyone with a straight face and say that conference jumping isn't for any other reason than to service one sport and only one sport.
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Post by ramblinman on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:43 pm

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At the start of this past season there were somewhere around 560 teams before all the CPL teams that dropped football after the season started. Were schools without football programs allowed to vote, or were co-op programs allowed more than one vote?

This vote seems close enough that it would seem unfair for schools without football programs to be allowed to influence a change such as this.
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:44 pm

Totally agree with that. However, how many of those other sports didnít benefit from moving leagues? Lincoln is in a very rare situation if you ask me. Iíd be interested in seeing the number of schools whose athletic programs as a whole didnít improve with the league change.

Just looking at some of the schools in southern IL who have changed leagues, Paris, Olney, Newton, Robinson, Taylorville, Mattoon, Salem...all have seen positive changes for their entire athletic department. I know, small sample size, but Iíd be curious to see other than Lincoln, how many schools have athletic programs who have suffered from conference changes.

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Post by Huck on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:44 pm

Don't you think that these will only be looked upon as glorified scrimmages if the coaches treat them as such? I would think it becomes the job of coaches and athletic directors to schedule games with meaning so that athletes see the value in it.

I do envy schools like Bloomington and Normal Community that are natural rivals who will be in different districts as they will have NO problem getting kids or coaches motivated for the game.

Since tone does not come across on message boards, I am NOT trying to be argumentative, just expressing a different opinion. We actually voted against the proposal. Selfishly, we have a good conference, but I do see why schools wanted districts.
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:46 pm

awm wrote:Most other states do this. IL was an anomaly. Some states are now even using districts/regions with a computer rating component to determine qualifiers.

It was stupid to begin with that classes weren't determined at the start of the season. No more guessing class and wondering how the playoff seedings will play out on that last Saturday with arbitrary matchups. (quadrants? 1-16? Will we be sent west or south?)

And if you think those one or two games out of district are meaningless then maybe you shouldn't participate in them. Non-district games are opportunities to build your program in the way that best fits your program. Want to schedule out of state powers to see what you have? Do it. I'd love to see Rochester play Webb City, MO. Comparable programs with lots of recent success. Would probably be nationally televised. Want to continue out of class rivalries? I highly doubt those games would be meaningless. Want to schedule yourself against state powers to increase $? I've seen that happen. Want to play out of area programs that are comparable to yours? How about having a game or two to figure out who your starting QB should be?

Next thing you know we will be talking about spring practice, scrimmage games and all other kinds of nonsense that other states do successfully.

All good points. Problem is, there arenít many Rochesterís or SHGís who can do that.

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Post by Huck on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:50 pm

I am looking forward to seeing who reaches out to us and who we might think of reaching out to for these two games. Being in a 10 team conference is great for scheduling but leaves you wondering how you stack up against the rest of your class. If you schedule within your class, this allows you to find out early where you stand relative to other districts in that class.
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:50 pm

Huck wrote:Don't you think that these will only be looked upon as glorified scrimmages if the coaches treat them as such? †I would think it becomes the job of coaches and athletic directors to schedule games with meaning so that athletes see the value in it. †

I do envy schools like Bloomington and Normal Community that are natural rivals who will be in †different districts as they will have NO problem getting kids or coaches motivated for the game.

Since tone does not come across on message boards, I am NOT trying to be argumentative, just expressing a different opinion. †We actually voted against the proposal. †Selfishly, we have a good conference, but I do see why schools wanted districts.

Not seeing your tone that way at all! I appreciate the spirited discussion. I donít begrudge anyone for voting yes for this. There are schools out there who needed relief. And yes, I agree that we as coaches will need to take a certain approach to these games. I just feel like unless youíre a Rochester playing a powerhouse from another state, why would you risk your best players health? Anyone who wouldnít at least think about that for a second, hasnít been paying attention to how much the game of high school football is under attack right now.

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Post by newcom on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:50 pm

Sample 2A District
District 1: 5 Chicago teams, 2 suburban teams, and Rockford team
District 2: EPC, West Carroll, Riverdale, Orion, Newman, Bureau Valley, Amboy, and Fieldcrest
District 3: 2 suburban schools, Momence, Clifton, Watseka, Bismarck, Fithian, and Westville
District 4: Rockridge, Mercer County, Knoxville, West Prairie, West Hancock, Illini West, Rushville, and Mendon
District 5: Tremont, DeeMack, El Paso, Tri-Valley, Ridgeview, Gibson City, Athens, and Maroa-Forsyth
District 6: Decatur schools, Sangamon Valley, Auburn, Pawnee, Nokomis, Pana, and Shelbyville
District 7: Villa Grove, Arthur, Marshall, Oblong, Flora, Hamilton County, White County, and Eldorado
District 8: Chester, Sparta, Red Bud, Carlyle, Wesclin, Johnston City, Gillespie, and Litchfield
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Post by newcom on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:51 pm

Gonna Be Interesting.
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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:54 pm

newcom wrote:Sample 2A District
District 1: 5 Chicago teams, 2 suburban teams, and Rockford team
District 2: EPC, West Carroll, Riverdale, Orion, Newman, Bureau Valley, Amboy, and Fieldcrest
District 3: 2 suburban schools, Momence, Clifton, Watseka, Bismarck, Fithian, and Westville
District 4: Rockridge, Mercer County, Knoxville, West Prairie, West Hancock, Illini West, Rushville, and Mendon
District 5: Tremont, DeeMack, El Paso, Tri-Valley, Ridgeview, Gibson City, Athens, and Maroa-Forsyth
District 6: Decatur schools, Sangamon Valley, Auburn, Pawnee, Nokomis, Pana, and Shelbyville
District 7: Villa Grove, Arthur, Marshall, Oblong, Flora, Hamilton County, White County, and Eldorado
District 8: Chester, Sparta, Red Bud, Carlyle, Wesclin, Johnston City, Gillespie, and Litchfield
District 6 where it says Decatur schools- is that LSA and St T?

PS- District 7 is terrible. Very Happy
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Post by Huck on Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:59 pm

I don't think I could sit players. Pulling them early, sure. If these non-district games are early, I'd want them to work into the season, get those first game mistakes out of the way. If they are late, I am more worried about losing the quality during the week of practice if players know they won't be playing. I like the idea of taking guys into a game that is supposed to be beyond their abilities. If they do better than expected, it is a great confidence boost. If they don't, you tell them, who cares? They weren't supposed to anyway. But you really still get the benefit of them seeing the level they need to aspire to. And no reason to schedule someone who thumps you twice anymore than those two times. When redistricting happens, new openings will happen as well.
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Post by lefty120 on Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:00 pm

ramblinman wrote:
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At the start of this past season there were somewhere around 560 teams before all the CPL teams that dropped football after the season started. †Were schools without football programs allowed to vote, or were co-op programs allowed more than one vote?

This vote seems close enough that it would seem unfair for schools without football programs to be allowed to influence a change such as this.

Yes they were and obviously, I completely agree with you.

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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:01 pm

lefty120 wrote:Totally agree with that. However, how many of those other sports didnít benefit from moving leagues? †Lincoln is in a very rare situation if you ask me. Iíd be interested in seeing the number of schools whose athletic programs as a whole didnít improve with the league change.

Just looking at some of the schools in southern IL who have changed leagues, Paris, Olney, Newton, Robinson, Taylorville, Mattoon, Salem...all have seen positive changes for their entire athletic department. I know, small sample size, but Iíd be curious to see other than Lincoln, how many schools have athletic programs who have suffered from conference changes.
Clinton's athletic program's success hasn't changed one bit from a move from the Corn Belt, to the Okaw, to the CIC. All moves prompted for football. If anything, they've won less now playing 1A/2A teams than they did playing 3/4A teams when I was in school.

Lincoln's move was done at the expense of virtually every other program. Basketball is going to be successful despite where they end up, but baseball just had their worst season in program history last spring. Girls volleyball was equally terrible this fall.

Argenta moved out of the Okaw for football and it has destroyed what used to be a successful sport for them- wrestling. No one in the CIC has it, so they end up travelling all over God's creation to get duals. Numbers are way down in what used to be a somewhat decent power. They used to be a top 20 team in the state nearly year in and year out. This year, they may have 10 kids total on the team. Basketball and other sports haven't seen any increase in success either.
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