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Post by OldTitan on Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:07 pm

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac10/2018/06/26/tyler-hilinski-ex-washington-state-qb-cte-committed-suicide/733641002/

This kid was 21 and his family says his autopsy revealed he was suffering from CTE. I find that incredibly disturbing that a kid this young had signs of CTE.

There is another thing I cannot quite shake though - how could they possibly know? It was my understanding the young man committed suicide with a gun shot to the head.

As football coaches, I think we walk a fine line. We have to acknowledge the risks inherent in the game and not just be deniers - or we come off as ignorant buffoons. Yet, we are faced with a deluge of what appears to me to be very one-sided reporting.

I played high school football and four year of college ball - albeit, small time Division III football. I do not know of one teammate suffering from any CTE-related symptoms. Not saying there could not be one, I just know of no one. I know lots and lots of folks who played football in college who are in their 60s and 70s who exhibit no signs of CTE or other brain-related difficulties. In fact, I don't know any who do.

But that in all analogous - not data. I get it - it is not evidence. I get it - we need to be on top of concussions more than ever before. I get it - we have to continue to work on the rules of the game.

There are tons of studies that show people cannot understand and analyze risk factors. Simple fact: You are taking a much larger risk letting your 16-year old drive than you are letting him play football.

Despite that, I am haunted by Hilinski's death. The possibility that CTE contributed to this bright young man's demise is something no one should dismiss out of hand. I think all good, conscientious coaches are most concerned about the health of their players. In the end - it is a good thing it bothers me - it should. By not dismissing the possibility, all I can do is try my utmost to make the game as safe as possible for my kids.
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Re: Tyler Hilinski had CTE

Post by 19delta on Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:12 pm

OldTitan wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac10/2018/06/26/tyler-hilinski-ex-washington-state-qb-cte-committed-suicide/733641002/

This kid was 21 and his family says his autopsy revealed he was suffering from CTE. I find that incredibly disturbing that a kid this young had signs of CTE.

There is another thing I cannot quite shake though - how could they possibly know? It was my understanding the young man committed suicide with a gun shot to the head.

As football coaches, I think we walk a fine line. We have to acknowledge the risks inherent in the game and not just be deniers - or we come off as ignorant buffoons. Yet, we are faced with a deluge of what appears to me to be very one-sided reporting.

I played high school football and four year of college ball - albeit, small time Division III football. I do not know of one teammate suffering from any CTE-related symptoms. Not saying there could not be one, I just know of no one. I know lots and lots of folks who played football in college who are in their 60s and 70s who exhibit no signs of CTE or other brain-related difficulties. In fact, I don't know any who do.

But that in all analogous - not data. I get it - it is not evidence. I get it - we need to be on top of concussions more than ever before. I get it - we have to continue to work on the rules of the game.

There are tons of studies that show people cannot understand and analyze risk factors. Simple fact: You are taking a much larger risk letting your 16-year old drive than you are letting him play football.

Despite that, I am haunted by Hilinski's death. The possibility that CTE contributed to this bright young man's demise is something no one should dismiss out of hand. I think all good, conscientious coaches are most concerned about the health of their players. In the end - it is a good thing it bothers me - it should. By not dismissing the possibility, all I can do  is try my utmost to make the game as safe as possible for my kids.

Great post, Old T!

There are many, many parents who are refusing to allow their sons to play high school football because of the belief that football is unsafe. Yet I would guarantee that most of those same parents don't have any reservations about their sons getting a driver's license.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db37.htm

Certainly, we have to continue to educate ourselves but there are way to many unanswered questions at this point to make any kind of accurate conclusion.
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Re: Tyler Hilinski had CTE

Post by newcom on Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:39 am

Not to be callous, but Life is a Risk. We all could be diagnosed with a disease at any time from what we eat, what we breathe, stepping in front of a car we did not see or an injury from any sport. The f-ing media has decided that football is evil and are making sure everyone knows about it.


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Post by Teetime on Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:58 pm

Was this CTE study on Hilinski commissioned by the media?

I ask because blaming the media for reporting on news is not advancing anyone's cause.

If the USA Today invented this set of facts then you should bar-b-que their asses. If they are reporting the facts, then I think it would be nearly a criminal act to NOT report them.

I also think OT's post is a good one +1


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Post by wilky on Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:17 pm

newcom wrote: The f-ing media has decided that football is evil and are making sure everyone knows about it.
IMHO

Not to belabor a point, but this coming from a coach actually scares me. I don't mean to throw shade cause by all accounts you seem like a very stand up guy. Having that opinion is based on dogma and not fact. I think science has decided football is evil, and although it is contrary view point from what we want it to be, I personally think it is irresponsible to ignore the preliminary data. If the media is glorifying it, it is because the supporting facts are that scary. The media sensationalizing the murders rate in Chicago is horrendous doesn't mean that the murder rate in Chicago isn't horrendous. I have referred out 4 concussion cases, 3 of them weren't caught by the people who were supposed to be looking out for them, 1 of them grossly mismanaged, and in my opinion criminally. All of them had access to coaches and trainers who were supposed to be trained in spotting and detecting concussions. That's very scary to me.

I personally appreciate OTs approach. We all love football and know how beneficial it can be. But if a preponderance of new evidence suggests that what we think isn't what us true, it is unethical to not take that information to heart, imo. I think there is ways to make football safer and make sure that it sticks around, but I think the quickest way to an early grave for football is to act like the issues aren't real.

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Post by center on Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:46 pm

OldTitan wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac10/2018/06/26/tyler-hilinski-ex-washington-state-qb-cte-committed-suicide/733641002/

This kid was 21 and his family says his autopsy revealed he was suffering from CTE. I find that incredibly disturbing that a kid this young had signs of CTE.

There is another thing I cannot quite shake though - how could they possibly know? It was my understanding the young man committed suicide with a gun shot to the head.

As football coaches, I think we walk a fine line. We have to acknowledge the risks inherent in the game and not just be deniers - or we come off as ignorant buffoons. Yet, we are faced with a deluge of what appears to me to be very one-sided reporting.

I played high school football and four year of college ball - albeit, small time Division III football. I do not know of one teammate suffering from any CTE-related symptoms. Not saying there could not be one, I just know of no one. I know lots and lots of folks who played football in college who are in their 60s and 70s who exhibit no signs of CTE or other brain-related difficulties. In fact, I don't know any who do.

But that in all analogous - not data. I get it - it is not evidence. I get it - we need to be on top of concussions more than ever before. I get it - we have to continue to work on the rules of the game.

There are tons of studies that show people cannot understand and analyze risk factors. Simple fact: You are taking a much larger risk letting your 16-year old drive than you are letting him play football.

Despite that, I am haunted by Hilinski's death. The possibility that CTE contributed to this bright young man's demise is something no one should dismiss out of hand. I think all good, conscientious coaches are most concerned about the health of their players. In the end - it is a good thing it bothers me - it should. By not dismissing the possibility, all I can do  is try my utmost to make the game as safe as possible for my kids.

This is an outstanding post. Well put.

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Post by crusader on Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:45 pm

wilky wrote:
newcom wrote: The f-ing media has decided that football is evil and are making sure everyone knows about it.
IMHO

Not to belabor a point, but this coming from a coach actually scares me. I don't mean to throw shade cause by all accounts you seem like a very stand up guy. Having that opinion is based on dogma and not fact. I think science has decided football is evil, and although it is contrary view point from what we want it to be, I personally think it is irresponsible to ignore the preliminary data. If the media is glorifying it, it is because the supporting facts are that scary. The media sensationalizing the murders rate in Chicago is horrendous doesn't mean that the murder rate in Chicago isn't horrendous. I have referred out 4 concussion cases, 3 of them weren't caught by the people who were supposed to be looking out for them, 1 of them grossly mismanaged, and in my opinion criminally. All of them had access to coaches and trainers who were supposed to be trained in spotting and detecting concussions. That's very scary to me.

I personally appreciate OTs approach. We all love football and know how beneficial it can be. But if a preponderance of new evidence suggests that what we think isn't what us true, it is unethical to not take that information to heart, imo. I think there is ways to make football safer and make sure that it sticks around, but I think the quickest way to an early grave for football is to act like the issues aren't real.
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Re: Tyler Hilinski had CTE

Post by wilky on Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:31 pm

crusader wrote:
You were more fun before you grew up, dammit!


you said a mouthful there. not a day....


to prove I am just not trying to be a jerk or know it all. ill offer my solution


I think the solution to this issue is very simple and how it has never been addressed is beyond me.


weight limits.... simple physics comes into play when a 300 lb person runs 10 mph into a 160 lb person who just turned around. mass x volume = momentum. I think the bigger stronger faster curve has finally hit to where the training of bodies has outpaced the bodies ability to respond to the forces from it. our training methods have outpaced our genetic abilites to evolve, especially neurologically. we can make people in the gym who can lift a house, but we cant train someone in the gym to have the neurological ability to get hit by a house (repeatedly).

I think weights limits at every level by position much like they do in youth football (which is done entirely for safety). put the impetus on athleticism instead of brute force. less violent hits, healthier people in the long run.


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Post by newcom on Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:10 pm

Wilky,
I am not dismissing anything that you stated at all. But, most of the BS coming from the media is BS and one sided and yes scientists are part of the problem. Give me scientific facts from all sports to compare the CTE issues not just football which is what they are doing. I agree it is an issue but as long as improper techniques are taught and encouraged (by some) and the NFL continues to let head shots be minor infractions then kids will emulate it. That is all I am saying
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Post by wilky on Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:59 pm

newcom wrote: But, most of the BS coming from the media is BS and one sided and yes scientists are part of the problem.

The media is BS, I am not trying to stick up for them. I just don't think that they are big of a player in this as you do. Surely they have motives but that doesn't mean some of what they are reporting isnt alarming.

I am not sure how to take, "scientist are part of the problem"? Do you feel like they are falsifying their research? Not being objective? Exploiting possible CTE injuries, but if so, what is the gain? I would have to know how they are part of the problem before I could respond do that.


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Post by newcom on Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:57 pm

Wilky,
Scientists should study and report all sports with head injuries or head contact and report the findings.  Not just football.  

http://footballscoop.com/news/new-study-reports-higher-concussion-rate-girls-sport-football
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Post by Teetime on Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:12 pm

Will it be helpful to be able to point to girls soccer as having a higher rate of CTE when trying to convince a mom that football is safe for her son?

Or even if four other sports have higher rates of CTE....how does that relieve a parent's fear?


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Post by newcom on Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:58 pm

Not sure on that, but just want to make everyone aware that there is an inherent danger to many things in life, but to wrap our kids in Bubble Wrap every second of the day is ridiculous and not realistic. Things happen every friggin day that could harm any one of us or even take our life. What is the sense of over worrying about it.
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Post by Dawgdad on Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:41 am

This hits close to home as I knew a young man who was a very talented WR, State Champ MVP, All Star. He played a year of college football but had to quit due to injury to his back. He also was in numerous altercations with fisticuffs where he took blows to the head. I watched his behavior change and heard him complain of headaches. He had drug abuse issue that may or may not have been related to the pain and headaches but it correlated with them. I had never heard of CTE about 10 years ago but googling his symptoms.. I found CTE. He was too macho to get examined when I suggested it to him. He could handle it all... just ask him. A couple of years after that... he met the same demise as Hilinski. I always felt his issues were related to CTE and the numerous concussions he had in his short life.

I hear my son talk about some of the best games he played and he says cannot remember most of the second half of those games.... just saying. I love the passion and teamwork that is football but looking in the rear view mirror, I sure hope the gains made will exceed the potential costs.
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