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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:18 am

Are you guys' districts having a really hard time finding subs? It seems like we can't find enough of them. Couple weeks ago they had to take three classes and just have them sit in our cafeteria for the class period because we couldn't get subs to be in their classrooms with them.

I didn't know if this was an issue of pay (we only pay $85 a day it appears) or if it's a epidemic. We didn't seem to have this much problem last year at CG, but we did have more problems last year than they did in previous years.
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Post by 19delta on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:29 am

Yes. Huge shortage of subs in NW Illinois, too. My brother in law subs and he could easily work every day if he wanted to.
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Post by Huck on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:33 am

It is a problem at my school as well.
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Post by OldTitan on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:53 am

Yep. Big problem.
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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:55 am

What are you guys paying?
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Post by wolverine55 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:59 am

Our subs get $100 a day and we're fine at the high school, normally. But, I've heard that at our elementary schools it is not uncommon for an asst principal or even the principal himself to have to take a classroom for a whole day.
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Post by tincup1215 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:29 am

Problem in my district too. I'll be subbing an hour of 2nd grade after lunch due to shortage
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Post by dusty7 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:53 am

We have a shortage here as well but luckily most teachers are willing to period sub which helps out a lot along with giving us more money in our pockets.
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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:54 am

I’m currently in Ag today. IIRC I made $100 a day in 2000 in Clinton subbing. $85 seems ridiculously low to me.
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Post by OldTitan on Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:07 pm

Head Idiot wrote:What are you guys paying?
$100/day
Competitive with other local schools, but clearly not enough.

We are experiencing a contraction of qualified teaching candidates in many areas too. It is not surprising it's tough to find subs when it is tough to find teachers.
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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:21 pm

I was told by a principal during an interview that the hardest teachers to find are in this order- FACS, shop, science and math. PE and Social Studies were the easiest.
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Post by OldTitan on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:03 pm

Not sure what FACS is, but the hardest is shop and non-Spanish foreign language.
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Post by Huck on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:09 pm

Family And Consumer Sciences (FACS)
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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:47 pm

OldTitan wrote:Not sure what FACS is, but the hardest is shop and non-Spanish foreign language.
Do many places even have non Spanish foreign language anymore?

CG only had French because the teacher was tenured and also taught some PE and did their yearbook. When she retires, I doubt they'll keep it. If they're still open.
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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:49 pm

Huck wrote:Family And Consumer Sciences (FACS)
We had a FACS student teacher this spring and she said there's like 10 total FACS student teachers in schools across the state this spring.
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Post by Head Idiot on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:53 pm

I also know it's easy to find a special ed teacher, but finding a good one and one that will stay somewhere is nearly impossible apparently.

There are currently 405 special ed jobs open in Illinois.
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Post by center on Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:19 pm

OldTitan wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:What are you guys paying?
$100/day
Competitive with other local schools, but clearly not enough.

We are experiencing a contraction of qualified teaching candidates in many areas too. It is not surprising it's tough to find subs when it is tough to find teachers.

Yep. This is a big issue and it is affecting subs. Think about all the teachers over the years that started as a sub or an aide for a while until they could get a full time job.

They were usually quality subs that were hungry for a job. Now that segment is shrinking.

All the above issues listed are the same in northern Illinois.

I also wonder if classroom teachers are missing more days of school now?


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Post by Pike Bishop on Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:26 pm

wolverine55 wrote:Our subs get $100 a day and we're fine at the high school, normally.  But, I've heard that at our elementary schools it is not uncommon for an asst principal or even the principal himself to have to take a classroom for a whole day.

My ex-school district offers retirees from the district double pay for 96 days. You have three years to complete the 96 days.You have to get a minimum of 32 days a year. The pay-out is spread out equally over three years. After 96 days, back to regular pay. I am on my second year and have 2 1/2 days left. I only sub at one school. I am pretty selective who I sub for and when.

When the economy was bad, my youngest daughter (MBA but no job), subbed until she got a good job in Chicago. An administrator told me: bad economy = a lot of subs. The economy gets better = shortage.

I friend of mine who retired from District 150 in Peoria told me the sub shortage is so bad there, they pay subs $200 a day.

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Post by morrisfan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:59 pm

The hard part about finding subs is who can do it.  Your pool is basically retired individuals (usually teachers) or 22 year olds who don't have a job yet.  For $85 a day, I don't think you will see that pool expanded.

As a former sub, some days were an easy $85 and other days I would have paid $85 to leave at lunch.

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Post by Head Idiot on Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:26 am

In English today.
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Post by net on Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:06 am

Head Idiot wrote:In English today.

what are you doing in england today?

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Post by Head Idiot on Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:32 am

net wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:In English today.

what are you doing in england today?

Study Hall.
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Post by #35 on Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:02 pm

I once said I wouldn't mind it. But I'm not qualified. Apparently you have to be qualified. I'm just a joe off the street.

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Post by ramblinman on Tue May 01, 2018 11:25 am

Head Idiot wrote:
OldTitan wrote:Not sure what FACS is, but the hardest is shop and non-Spanish foreign language.
Do many places even have non Spanish foreign language anymore?

Define many.

Foreign language course offerings at...

Oak Park River Forest:  Spanish, German, French, Chinese, Latin, Japanese, Italian
New Trier:  Spanish, German, French, Hebrew, Latin, Japanese, Chinese
Stevenson: Spanish, Chinese, French, German, Hebrew, Latin
Walter Payton:  Spanish, Latin, Chinese, French
Northside College Prep:  Spanish, Latin, Chinese, French, Japanese
Kenwood: Spanish, Latin, Chinese, French, Italian
Curie: Spanish, French, Chinese
Kennedy: Spanish, Polish
Whitney Young: Spanish, Latin, Chinese, French, Japanese
Taft: Spanish, French, Balto-Slavic, Arabic
Roosevelt: Spanish, French, Korean
Niles West:  Spanish, German, French, Chinese
Niles North:  Spanish, German, French, Chinese, Hebrew
Highland Park:  Spanish, French, Italian, Hebrew
Lake Forest:  Spanish, German, French, Latin, Chinese
Leyden:  Spanish, French, Italian
Deerfield:  Spanish, French, Chinese, Hebrew
Vernon Hills: Spanish, German, French, Chinese
Homewood Flossmoor:  Spanish, French, Chinese
Elmwood Park:  Spanish, Italian
Ridgewood:  Spanish, Italian
Loyola Academy:  Spanish, French, Chinese, Latin, Ancient Greek  (when I was a student there in the 70s, we had 75% of the enrollment of the current Loyola and we had the same languages as the current Loyola plus we had German and Russian)


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Re: Substitute Teachers

Post by 19delta on Tue May 01, 2018 1:04 pm

ramblinman wrote:
Head Idiot wrote:
OldTitan wrote:Not sure what FACS is, but the hardest is shop and non-Spanish foreign language.
Do many places even have non Spanish foreign language anymore?

Define many.

Foreign language course offerings at...

Oak Park River Forest:  Spanish, German, French, Chinese, Latin, Japanese, Italian
New Trier:  Spanish, German, French, Hebrew, Latin, Japanese, Chinese
Walter Payton:  Spanish, Latin, Chinese, French
Northside College Prep:  Spanish, Latin, Chinese, French, Japanese
Niles West:  Spanish, German, French, Chinese
Niles North:  Spanish, German, French, Chinese, Hebrew
Highland Park:  Spanish, French, Italian, Hebrew
Lake Forest:  Spanish, German, French, Latin, Chinese
Leyden:  Spanish, French  Italian
Deerfield:  Spanish, French, Chinese, Hebrew
Homewood Flossmoor:  Spanish, French, Chinese
Elmwood Park:  Spanish, Italian
Ridgewood:  Spanish, Italian
Loyola Academy:  Spanish, French, Chinese, Latin, Ancient Greek  (when I was a student there in the 70s, we had 75% of the enrollment of the current Loyola and we had the same languages as the current Loyola plus we had German and Russian)

I didn't look it up to see what they have now but when I get from Naperville North in the early 1990s, we had Spanish, French, German, Latin, and Russian.

In rural schools, it is quite uncommon to find foreign languages other than Spanish. And even when Spanish is offered, it is often only Spanish I and Spanish II.

Rural schools typically can't compete in regards to salary with the big, suburban districts.
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