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Post by Teetime on Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:26 am

I guess we are just going to have to live with this as the new reality.

God bless all you who go to work each day in these new shooting galleries.

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Post by Teetime on Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:25 pm


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Post by Head Idiot on Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:16 pm

I will say this- as this shooting is once again being politicized on both sides of the aisle, remember that in the past year over 42,000 people- an average of 115+ a day- died of opiod overdoses. Many of them on drugs prescribed to them by doctors.

It will never cease to amaze me what we find "important", or maybe more importantly- what we allow the media to tell us is important- in our country.
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Post by 19delta on Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:02 pm

Head Skin wrote:I will say this- as this shooting is once again being politicized on both sides of the aisle, remember that in the past year over 42,000 people- an average of 115+ a day- died of opiod overdoses.  Many of them on drugs prescribed to them by doctors.

It will never cease to amaze me what we find "important", or maybe more importantly- what we allow the media to tell us is important- in our country.

Agreed.

To build on Head Skin’s post, many (if not most) of these mass murderers are on powerful psychotropic drugs. If it’s fair to blame the relative ease in which guns can be obtained, it’s also fair to question the impact these drugs ultimately have.
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Post by Head Idiot on Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:10 pm

To be clear, I wasn’t trying to connect the opioids to the shootings, I just wanted to compare the reactions to one “epidemic” against another.

I would think 115+ people dying a day would garner a reaction similar to the shootings, but it doesn’t.

“The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic”- Joseph Stalin
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Post by 19delta on Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:41 pm

Head Skin wrote:To be clear, I wasn’t trying to connect the opioids to the shootings, I just wanted to compare the reactions to one “epidemic” against another.

I would think 115+ people dying a day would garner a reaction similar to the shootings, but it doesn’t.

“The death of one man is a tragedy.  The death of millions is a statistic”- Joseph Stalin

Yes. I got that. All a matter of politically-expedient perspective.

The Stalin quote is apocryphal but relevant regardless.
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Post by Teetime on Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:45 pm

I think that is probably because the opioid deaths are largely the result of ingesting drugs that YOUR hand put in YOUR mouth or however they entered your bloodstream, they were self-administered.

The school shootings had little, or in most cases NOTHING, to do with your own behavior. A bullet just tore you open for no reason at all.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

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Post by 19delta on Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:07 pm

Teetime wrote:I think that is probably because the opioid deaths are largely the result of ingesting drugs that YOUR hand put in YOUR mouth or however they entered your bloodstream, they were self-administered.

The school shootings had little, or in most cases NOTHING, to do with your own behavior. A bullet just tore you open for no reason at all.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

I don't.

Do a google search on "opioid epidemic drug company complicity". If the NRA or Republican legislators have bloody hands from all these school shootings, then the drug companies do as well for all those opioid deaths.
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Post by Teetime on Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:40 pm

It's not the point I was arguing.

I'm in agreement that there is blood on the hands of drug companies. I think we have a drug distribution company here in Springfield that is being investigated for shipping off millions of pills to a small West Virginia burg of about 3,000 population without a question.

I think the reason that there is not the sense of outrage at opioid deaths as there is in mass murders is the complicity of the victim with opioids that is absent in school shootings. My opinion was only about the reason that the public concern is so different in each instance.


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Post by Teetime on Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:47 pm

Head Skin wrote:It will never cease to amaze me what we find "important", or maybe more importantly- what we allow the media to tell us is important- in our country.


I'm thinking that if there is an active shooter in your school building you would find that infinitely more important than opioid death rates.

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Post by 19delta on Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:47 pm

Teetime wrote:It's not the point I was arguing.

I'm in agreement that there is blood on the hands of drug companies. I think we have a drug distribution company here in Springfield that is being investigated for shipping off millions of pills to a small West Virginia burg of about 3,000 population without a question.

I think the reason that there is not the sense of outrage at opioid deaths as there is in mass murders is the complicity of the victim with opioids that is absent in school shootings. My opinion was only about the reason that the public concern is so different in each instance.


The reason the school shootings spark widespread outrage is that they are relatively rare occasions. Opioid addiction and deaths, on the other hand, are so ubiquitous to be rendered essentially invisible.

Also, many of the people who die of opioid addiction are poor and insignificant. Easily overlooked and ignored.
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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:06 am

Many of these opiod deaths are also the result of "experts" masquerading as doctors handing out prescriptions liberally as they take money from the drug companies.

I don't think someone prescribed oxy or percosetts prescribed by a Dr expect to be a heroin addict within a couple years, but that's how a good number of people get into it.
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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:07 am

Teetime wrote:
Head Skin wrote:It will never cease to amaze me what we find "important", or maybe more importantly- what we allow the media to tell us is important- in our country.


I'm thinking that if there is an active shooter in your school building you would find that infinitely more important than opioid death rates.
I would not prioritize my or their deaths as more important than someone else's just because a politician wants to use it as a way to further their agenda.
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Post by Teetime on Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:15 am

Head Skin wrote:I would not prioritize my or their deaths as more important than someone else's just because a politician wants to use it as a way to further their agenda.


No. Of course you wouldn’t.

You would prioritize your life as more important because it belongs to you.

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Post by lefty120 on Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:27 pm

Just watched the documentary Newtown on Netflix...details the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary back in 2012. I'm sure many of you have seen it, but it's pretty educational about how some of the parents who lost children reacted and tried to get governmental change.

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Post by general maximus on Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:40 pm

I view school shootings and other perpetrated tragedies as moral failures by society.

NO LAW can legislate morality......unfortunately.

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Post by Pike Bishop on Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:19 pm

general maximus wrote:I view school shootings and other perpetrated tragedies as moral failures by society.

NO LAW can legislate morality......unfortunately.  

Whatever side of the gun issue your on, you are not going to change your mind. In regards to school shooting, I do not have an answer. I am a gun owner, so was my dad. All the gun owners I know, have never used a gun in an illegal act and are very safety conscious in regards to firearms. They feel they will get punished/penalized first.
What I have read about the tragedy is that school districts are under a lot of pressure to keep the numbers down in regards to discipline, suspensions, expulsions of minority students. Because he was adopted by a Hispanic family, Cruz was considered a minority. New laws, like Illinois' Senate Bill 100, have a negative effect on discipline enforcement. Kids are not afraid of any consequences because many times the consequences are a joke. I am retired now and sub. One day I wrote up a kid and security escorted her out of the room. She said I could not do it because I "did not warn" her. I replied that after being in schools for ten years I was not going to warn her about acting right.
Whether outside pressure or laws in regards to Cruz were a factor - I do not know. I am only speculating.

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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:37 pm

Discipline has become a joke in Illinois with that law that passed a couple years ago.  The kids know they can do whatever the hell they want and ultimately their grade won't suffer a bit.
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Post by Teetime on Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:23 am

So Illinois is much more lax in school discipline than other states?

Consequently, classrooms are more likely to experience gun play than other states? Maybe even mass murders?

Or was there not a connection being made between the two things (school discipline and school shootings), I honestly couldn’t tell.

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Post by Pike Bishop on Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:52 am

Teetime wrote:So Illinois is much more lax in school discipline than other states?

Consequently, classrooms are more likely to experience gun play than other states? Maybe even mass murders?

Or was there not a connection being made between the two things (school discipline and school shootings), I honestly couldn’t tell.


It's lax, compared to other states - I can not answer that. Teachers are frustrated, so are administrators that handle discipline. One has to jump thru more hoops, do more paper work. The problem kids are bigger problems because they know they have more rope. More borderline kids are figuring it out and are becoming problem kids.
One high school in Springfield had a principal who basically told the main office that if kids are disrupting the school they are going to be put in In-House, suspended or expelled. I don't care who they are. It worked. I never heard a teacher bad-mouth him and the school discipline was good (They stayed out of the newspaper). He got promoted to an assistant superintendent position. The new principal is an ex-social worker. His was told the suspensions and expulsions made the school and district look bad. They were getting pressure from outside groups. He was told they could not suspend or bring up any more kids for expulsion. Now kids are counseled and write letters of apology. A friend of mine's wife who works there said discipline is now a joke.
A school shooting in Illinois/Springfield - The SRO at my wife's school said Friday after news of the Florida shooting broke, said it was not a matter of if but of when.


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Post by Teetime on Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:21 am

That’s awful.

It’s time for the pendulum to swing back to order in schools.

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Post by general maximus on Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:48 am

Teetime wrote:That’s awful.

It’s time for the pendulum to swing back to order in schools.

Kinda hard with all the mamby pampy liberal thought process out there.

As Pike said, school discipline is not even close to what rational people think is right

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Post by Head Idiot on Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:47 pm

Another random statistic we came across in our Driver Ed class today- 12 students will be killed this year by drivers who fail to stop when a school bus has its' stop sign and flashing lights on.

A survey of bus drivers across the country showed that 85,000 cars ran bus stop signs and lights in the past year.

I would be interested to know how many of those 85,000 people support gun control laws to "protect kids".

https://www.kshb.com/news/education/millions-to-violate-school-bus-stop-signs-according-to-new-study

Stats from 2013
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Post by Teetime on Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:24 pm

I watched the kids rally in the Florida Capital today on my lunch break.

Those were some pretty impressive young men and women.

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