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Post by 19delta on Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:03 pm

I know there aren't many smallball fans here, but there is an interesting possible 1st Round match-up in 2a between 5-4 Aurora Christian and 9-0 Sterling Newman.

Aurora Christian has an enrollment of 392. Their losses have come to Brother Rice (enrollment of 2415), De La Salle (enrollment of 1501), St. Ignacious (enrollment of 1403), and St. Laurence (enrollment of 1686). While AC was blown out by Brother Rice and St. Laurence, the games against Da La Salle and St. Ignacious were competitive (36-29 and 28-12). The five games Aurora Christian won were in fairly dominating fashion.

Newman has a terrific team this year but they might have the toughest 1st round draw of any team in the bracket if this happens.
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Post by Doctor D on Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:08 pm

Bring back FBE.
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Post by crusader on Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:26 pm

19delta wrote:I know there aren't many smallball fans here, but there is an interesting possible 1st Round match-up in 2a between 5-4 Aurora Christian and 9-0 Sterling Newman.

Aurora Christian has an enrollment of 392. Their losses have come to Brother Rice (enrollment of 2415), De La Salle (enrollment of 1501), St. Ignacious (enrollment of 1403), and St. Laurence (enrollment of 1686). While AC was blown out by Brother Rice and St. Laurence, the games against Da La Salle and St. Ignacious were competitive (36-29 and 28-12). The five games Aurora Christian won were in fairly dominating fashion.

Newman has a terrific team this year but they might have the toughest 1st round draw of any team in the bracket if this happens.
They prepared for the fight - let the hands fly.

FBE is cowardice.
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Post by Doctor D on Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:10 pm

crusader wrote:
19delta wrote:I know there aren't many smallball fans here, but there is an interesting possible 1st Round match-up in 2a between 5-4 Aurora Christian and 9-0 Sterling Newman.

Aurora Christian has an enrollment of 392. Their losses have come to Brother Rice (enrollment of 2415), De La Salle (enrollment of 1501), St. Ignacious (enrollment of 1403), and St. Laurence (enrollment of 1686). While AC was blown out by Brother Rice and St. Laurence, the games against Da La Salle and St. Ignacious were competitive (36-29 and 28-12). The five games Aurora Christian won were in fairly dominating fashion.

Newman has a terrific team this year but they might have the toughest 1st round draw of any team in the bracket if this happens.
They prepared for the fight - let the hands fly.

FBE is cowardice.

I’d like to see FBE, gives a better representation IMO. If a team can qualify for the playoffs playing 5a/6a/7a competition, they should not be placed in 2a in my little warped mind. Same thing goes for IC and for Rochester for that matter.
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Post by Teetime on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:32 am

For all we know seven of the teams in 4A and four of the teams in 3A could qualify for the playoffs playing 5A/6A/7A competition. But because they DON'T play those schools during the regular season it's an unknown until they clobber all the teams in the playoffs. Why should a team that DOES play those bigger schools get forced up just because they have revealed themselves, while others have remained hidden by virtue of their schedule or the conference they play in?

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Post by Teetime on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:42 am

SHG's enrollment (10th day of 2016) is 643. I think the actual 2017-2018 enrollment is closer to 620.

They would be in 5A with a multiplied enrollment of 1,060.95 and because of the success factor are pushed to 6A where the largest school is Villa Park (Willowbrook). At 1,888, Villa Park is almost three times the size of SHG.

I'm just say'in.


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Post by tincup1215 on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:50 am

I have very little sympathy for this. For Football you get 8 classes, Track we get 3. Byron with an enrollment of 472 will be up against East St Louis (1289).
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Post by Teetime on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:55 am

tincup1215 wrote:I have very little sympathy for this.  For Football you get 8 classes, Track we get 3.  Byron with an enrollment of 472 will be up against East St Louis (1289).  


E. St. Louis is 2.73 times the size of Byron.

Villa Park is 2.93 times the size of SHG.

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Post by tincup1215 on Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:03 am

If you don't include the multiplier then yes.
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Post by tincup1215 on Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:08 am

Marmion should be in 3A then since they have 528 students in their school Very Happy
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Post by general maximus on Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:16 pm

Maybe this does not belong here, but it does apply to season scheduling.

Or you have ADs like our old one that scheduled 2 teams that are at least 2 classes above us. And in some cases we played a JV game against a 4A team. Granted a small 4A team, but we have 290 this year. Clearly in 1A. Playing Newton and Watseka was not good for us. Coming back after 3 years, our program was not ready for them for sure.

I was never a fan of taking scheduling away from schools by the regional idea, but maybe it would make more sense since lots of other schools near us are much close in enrollment. Next year, we play 3 of the top 4 teams in the other conference mandated in the cross overs.


Delta, those potential match ups certainly do not make you feel like you won anything by going 9-0. Didn't that happen to Bureau Valley a few years ago with playing IC?

Cru, you don't like FB enrollment because you were playing huge schools throughout the season at ACHS, then got dropped into 3A. Had FB enrollment been in place, you would not have steamrolled through the playoffs those 2 years. You might of actually played a tough game before facing another private school that was doing the same thing in the Quad Cities. Hell, that was even before the multiplier, so both those championships are tainted! LOL.

No system is perfect, but this one the IHSA is using seems less perfect than it could be.

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Post by Doctor D on Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:29 pm

To deflect from the inevitable pub/priv, (don't wanna go there) look at Rochester. They go 9-0 playing 5A and 6A teams then drop to 4A for the playoffs.
Granted, there are a few 4A teams that might challenge them, usually they get one. Despite their prolonged success, they don't usually stick out like a sore thumb in a given year's bracket such as what you sometimes get in 3A.
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Post by mc140 on Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:52 pm

Teetime wrote:
tincup1215 wrote:I have very little sympathy for this.  For Football you get 8 classes, Track we get 3.  Byron with an enrollment of 472 will be up against East St Louis (1289).  


E. St. Louis is 2.73 times the size of Byron.

Villa Park is 2.93 times the size of SHG.

In the last 30 years you would have taken the kids at Willowbrook over the kids at SHG when it comes to football maybe once.

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Post by Head Skin on Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:53 pm

Football enrollment was the dumbest thing ever. That is all.
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Post by crusader on Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:07 pm

What if IHSA allowed teams to decide by Week Six if they wanna play up a division or two?*** The issue with FBE is that the years GM cited, we could have (wished we could have) played up at any level. It was infuriating the MC got a national ranking and we did not when our regular season schedule was superior to theirs.

That's not going to happen very often and FBE is a heavy penalty to pay during your "down" years when those big boys kick your tail and you're struggling to get to 6-3 or 5-4. My sophomore year, we squeaked in at 6-3 and lost in the quarters of 4A.

*** Not sure what that does to the logistics of planning, if any impact.
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Post by ramblinman on Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:17 pm

crusader wrote:It was infuriating the MC got a national ranking and we did not when our regular season schedule was superior to theirs.

Just curious...

What year did that happen and can you recall (or search for) the regular season schedules that both teams played?
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Post by crusader on Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:16 pm

MC did open with Moeller - then the regular schedule - in 1990.

We played:
Alton - when they were coached by Dick Hood and were good (7-3)
Belleville East (8-2) << Featured Matt Russell, future Butkus award winner at Colorado. He won the award two years after ESL's Dana Howard from the same conference.>>
Belleville West (6-4)
Lutheran North - MO state champs, 3A (13-1)
Paducah Tilghman = KY runner up, large school
Edwardsville (6-4)
Provi - a year before the title streak
Another MO high school - we played down at SEMO -- EDIT POPLAR BLUFF

WEEK 9 - OPEN - tried everyone in the nation. Tried to get ESL/Collinsville to cancel and we'd play an exhibition.

In 1989, we lost the opener at Hazelwood East - we were driving to go ahead Terrell Fletcher (Wisconsin then SD Chargers) picked it for six. They ended up #4 in USA today that year.


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Post by ramblinman on Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:32 pm

crusader wrote:MC did open with Moeller - then the regular schedule - in 1990.

We played:
Alton - when they were coached by Dick Hood and were good (7-3)
Belleville East (8-2) << Featured Matt Russell, future Butkus award winner at Colorado. He won the award two years after ESL's Dana Howard from the same conference.>>
Belleville West (6-4)
Lutheran North - MO state champs, 3A (13-1)
Paducah Tilghman = KY runner up, large school
Edwardsville (6-4)
Provi - a year before the title streak
Another MO high school - we played down at SEMO
WEEK 9 - OPEN - tried everyone in the nation. Tried to get ESL/Collinsville to cancel and we'd play an exhibition.

In 1989, we lost the opener at Hazelwood East - we were driving to go ahead Terrell Fletcher (Wisconsin then SD Chargers) picked it for six. They ended up #4 in USA today that year.

You probably have a case for Althoff, but I don't understand how you found it infuriating that MC got ranked. They were undefeated that year and won the state title -- their third in a string of four straight state titles. From 1988-1990, MC went 41-1. When they beat Moeller 20-6 in Cincy, Moeller was ranked #12 in the nation.
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Post by crusader on Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:46 pm

We just thought we were better and as teenaged boys, there is lots of testosterone pumping. We won 26 straight after the opening loss junior year to a top 5 team.

I cannot find Moeller's final record, but they did not make the Semis that year. Keep in mind, back then - no internet and national rankings were based on reputation. Moeller had come off a string of championships, opened the season ranked - never regained that.

While an impressive win, so was Padukah for us at their place - the ONLY Saturday night game played that year (for our travel and for everyone else to come and see this clash of titans). Shut out Provi and our MO counterparts, eventual state champs - Lutheran North Crusaders.)
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Post by crusader on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:16 pm

Sorry (not sorry) to hijack ... I started to think of some of the names I remembered from scouting reports and two from KY are vivid. Emerson Wells - an 6-4/230 All-American linebacker.
http://nyx.uky.edu/dips/xt74mw289f8r/data/0011/0011.pdf

He wreaked havoc on kickoffs right up the middle, and as I was the nose of the wedge for three years, we decided it was not happening this game. As soon as the ball was kicked, I was to race forward, not back - and was told to hit that SOB square in the chest - each of us with a head of steam. It was a terrific collision the first time it happened - opening kick off - and thousands Ooohed and Ahhed.

After their single score in the game, same thing - except the dude juked me, goes right by, and I ended up on my face at midfield.

The other name I remember was Sadie Menz-Cole. Just stuck with me, as well as a few others, one being a D1 back Schott referred to as "Body by Brunswick" - he looked like a bowling ball.
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Post by Doctor D on Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:22 am

Teetime wrote:For all we know seven of the teams in 4A and four of the teams in 3A could qualify for the playoffs playing 5A/6A/7A competition. But because they DON'T play those schools during the regular season it's an unknown until they clobber all the teams in the playoffs. Why should a team that DOES play those bigger schools get forced up just because they have revealed themselves, while others have remained hidden by virtue of their schedule or the conference they play in?

If 4 teams in 3A that qualified for the playoffs clobbered the playoff competition, that would likely make for some compelling semifinals and final game.  That would be great.  
We would have a much better scenario that we do currently where one team of the 32 clobbers the entire field by 30+.  

Sorry for the rant.  3A has always been my favorite class as it is the one that contains the team I follow most closely.  Seems like when schools from certain areas happen to fall into 3A, the whole bracket becomes a complete joke.  When those particular teams are not in 3A, there have been some amazing title games.
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Post by 19delta on Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:08 am

Who has the longest trip this weekend? We are playing @Gibson City. That's 3+ hours. Salt Fork is playing @Forreston. That is 3.5-4 hours. Anyone traveling farther (further?) than that?

What about shortest distance? For us up here in the Great Northwest, it is the first time in a long time that we aren't having the annual NUIC Regional. No conference teams playing each other in the first round.
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Post by ramblinman on Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:24 am

19delta wrote:Who has the longest trip this weekend? We are playing @Gibson City. That's 3+ hours. Salt Fork is playing @Forreston. That is 3.5-4 hours. Anyone traveling farther (further?) than that?

What about shortest distance? For us up here in the Great Northwest, it is the first time in a long time that we aren't having the annual NUIC Regional. No conference teams playing each other in the first round.

Longest and shortest are probably in 8A. Edwardsville is playing at Huntley. That's 300 miles. New Trier is playing at Loyola. Their home fields are within a 10 minute walk from each other.
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Post by Doctor D on Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:37 am

ramblinman wrote:
19delta wrote:Who has the longest trip this weekend? We are playing @Gibson City. That's 3+ hours. Salt Fork is playing @Forreston. That is 3.5-4 hours. Anyone traveling farther (further?) than that?

What about shortest distance? For us up here in the Great Northwest, it is the first time in a long time that we aren't having the annual NUIC Regional. No conference teams playing each other in the first round.

Longest and shortest are probably in 8A.  Edwardsville is playing at Huntley.  That's 300 miles.  New Trier is playing at Loyola.  Their home fields are within a 10 minute walk from each other.

Ehemm, this is Illinois and you shall refer to distance traveled in hours rather than miles (or kilometers which - thankfully - would have been much worse)
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Post by ramblinman on Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:45 am

Doctor D wrote:To deflect from the inevitable pub/priv, (don't wanna go there) look at Rochester.  They go 9-0 playing 5A and 6A teams then drop to 4A for the playoffs.  
Granted, there are a few 4A teams that might challenge them, usually they get one.   Despite their prolonged success, they don't usually stick out like a sore thumb in a given year's bracket such as what you sometimes get in 3A.    

I disagree. Of the 30 playoff games played by Rochester in six different years, only four were decided by margins you need one or two hands to count. In 14 of those 30 games, the Rockets scored 49 or more pts, and they broke 60 twice. In only one of those 30 games did they score fewer than 23 pts...and they won that one.

2010-11 (4A) 199 54 5-0 14-0 1st Derek Leonard
49 7 W Freeburg
53 2 W Effingham (H.S.)
23 21 W Quincy (Sally N D)
50 17 W Metamora
24 7 W Rock Island (Alleman)

2011-12 (4A) 236 136 5-0 12-2 1st Derek Leonard
56 35 W Quincy (Sally N D)
42 28 W Manteno
55 21 W Kankakee (McNamara)
41 13 W Charleston
42 39 W Richmond (R.-Burton)

2012-13 (4A) 223 75 5-0 13-1 1st Derek Leonard
43 0 W Mahomet (M.-Seymour)
42 14 W Charleston
46 21 W Peoria (Sally N D)
49 22 W Harrisburg
43 18 W Rock Island (Alleman)

2013-14 (4A) 210 85 5-0 13-1 1st Derek Leonard
42 7 W Taylorville
56 28 W Breese (Mater Dei)
50 21 W Belleville (Althoff Catholic)
46 21 W Rock Island (Alleman)
16 8 W Geneseo

2014-15 (4A) 233 107 5-0 12-2 1st Derek Leonard
65 35 W Mt. Zion
35 14 W Quincy (Sally N D)
56 21 W Bloomington (Central Catholic)
28 9 W Herrin (H.S.)
49 28 W Chicago (Phillips)

2016-17 (4A) 250 110 5-0 13-1 1st Derek Leonard
52 7 W Bethalto (Civic Memorial)
63 21 W Mt. Zion
48 47 W Belleville (Althoff Catholic)
49 21 W Canton
38 14 W Johnsburg
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