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Post by crusader on Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:50 am

This was written by the BND but published - as an AP pickup - in the Fresno Bee and elsewhere across the nation.

BELLEVILLE, ILL.
As protesters assembled in the streets of St. Louis, a team of youth football players staged their own demonstration against the verdict in the trial of former police officer Jason Stockley.

Members of the Junior Comanches youth football team knelt during the playing of the national anthem prior to a game at Belleville’s Citizens Park Sunday. (Home of the Little Devils)

Stockley was found not guilty of first-degree murder by a St. Louis circuit judge in the shooting death of Anthony Lamar Smith, on Dec. 20, 2011. Organized demonstrations — some of which turned toward violence and vandalism in the evening hours — are continuing into a fourth day.

Orlando “Doc” Gooden, the Junior Commanches coach, said the pregame gesture was initiated by his discussion with the young players during a practice last week. Parents in attendance supported the idea.

“One of the kids brought it up and asked, ‘What’s going on in St. Louis? Why are they demonstrating and rioting?’” Gooden said. “He’s just an 8-year-old baby and he’s asking me why they are doing it. I felt it was a teaching opportunity. As a coach and adult, it’s your role to protect those that are weaker and to enlighten them when you can.”

While the coach and his team have received plenty of support in social media, others questioned whether the decision to protest belonged in the hands of 8-year-olds. Some suggested the Junior Commanches be expelled from the Tri-County League.

In social media, the backlash against Gooden and the Junior Commaches’ demonstration has been harsh, with some calling for the organization to be expelled from the Tri-County League.

“I know some of the people talk and speak as if I told the kids to turn around and that. I didn’t,” Gooden said. “They brought up the subject and led the discussion. I feel like once a child shows interest in a topic, you have to talk to them and teach them what you can.

“I told them kneeling is a show of respect, not for those who broke boundaries — I support only peaceful protest — but for the innocent lives that have been touched by injustice.”

Gooden is a 2001 graduate of Cahokia High School, where he starred at running back on the Comanches 10-1 playoff team. He has since received a bachelor’s degree in recreation and sports management from Indiana State University.

According to his Facebook page, he has worked for St. Anthony’s Medical Center and Don Bosco Children’s Center as a Residential Treatment Specialist, but said by phone Monday that he wants to keep his current employer clear of any potential controversy.

As a member of the San Francisco 49ers in 2016, NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick made kneeling during the “Star Spangled Banner” a form of protest against social injustice. Other players have emulated him.

Darren Goodwin, who says he’s coached youth football for 13 years and has been a long-time friend of Gooden, says the protest was not forced on the 8-year-old players.

“That’s not what Orlando is all about. He would not make the kids do something they didn’t want to do or were not comfortable doing,” Goodwin said.

Either way, he says the backlash the coach and team has received has gone too far.

“People don’t know that the kneeling is a sign of respect for those you are mourning, and I think they need to be made aware of what it means,” Goodwin said. “Everybody has the same First Amendment right to free speech and protest. The comments directed toward the coaches and the kids isn’t fair, I don’t think. Then again, we don’t always deal with fairness.”

Cahokia is a village of about 14,000 residents, located directly across the Mississippi River from south St. Louis. Stockley is a graduate of Althoff Catholic High School Belleville.

(WAS IT NEEDED TO PUT THIS IN THE ARTICLE? WTF???)
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Re: U8 Cahokia Team Kneels During Anthem

Post by net on Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:58 am

i know orlando. do you know him, cru?
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Post by crusader on Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:11 am

I do not.
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Post by Teetime on Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:03 am

We want peaceful protests....right?

The kids, the coach and the parents all supported the idea of a peaceful protest.

Everyone else can like the idea, hate the idea or be indifferent about the idea of a peaceful protest, but expelling that team from the league for doing what they thought was the right thing is nuts.

If the coach taught them to spit on every policeman who patrolled their games....then kick them out.

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Post by tincup1215 on Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:13 am

Teetime wrote:We want peaceful protests....right?

The kids, the coach and the parents all supported the idea of a peaceful protest.

Everyone else can like the idea, hate the idea or be indifferent about the idea of a peaceful protest, but expelling that team from the league for doing what they thought was the right thing is nuts.

If the coach taught them to spit on every policeman who patrolled their games....then kick them out.

Agreed. On the social media front, many of my friends who refer to anyone with opposing views as snowflakes are the same people who get bent out of shape about a peaceful protest like this. Hypocritical as they fulfill their own definition of snowflake.

I hate that word too.
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Re: U8 Cahokia Team Kneels During Anthem

Post by ging on Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:52 am

why are they playing the national anthem at an 8u game?
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Post by Head Skin on Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:48 pm

ging wrote:why are they playing the national anthem at an 8u game?
Better question- why do we play it at any sporting event?
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Post by crusader on Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:56 pm

I really don;t care if people don't want to stand for the national anthem. Do what you want.

But this seems disingenuous:
“One of the kids brought it up and asked, ‘What’s going on in St. Louis? Why are they demonstrating and rioting?’” Gooden said. “He’s just an 8-year-old baby and he’s asking me why they are doing it. I felt it was a teaching opportunity. As a coach and adult, it’s your role to protect those that are weaker and to enlighten them when you can.”


There was NO OTHER adult that one particular kid could ask? Is that REALLY what an 8-year-old's mind is thinking when he arrives for practice?

OR ... does that sound better than possibly being the catalyst of the protest using little people who have no clue about what's happening in the world as props?
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Post by ging on Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:04 pm

Head Skin wrote:
ging wrote:why are they playing the national anthem at an 8u game?
Better question- why do we play it at any sporting event?

at the risk of coming off as anti-american, i have often wondered the same thing.
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Post by Head Skin on Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:23 pm

ging wrote:
Head Skin wrote:
ging wrote:why are they playing the national anthem at an 8u game?
Better question- why do we play it at any sporting event?

at the risk of coming off as anti-american, i have often wondered the same thing.
It rarely, if ever happened pre WWI, went away until WWII and then just stuck for some reason.  Even stupider IMHO is God Bless America in the 7th inning.
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Post by Teetime on Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:04 pm

Head Skin wrote:Even stupider IMHO is God Bless America in the 7th inning.


Exactly.

Or any inning.

I will stand and sing the National Anthem with the sun searing down on my bald head....but why do I have to do that for an Irving Berlin show tune?


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Post by OSUBucks on Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:50 pm

I have no problem with peaceful protest. Obviously the NFL does because all the fat cat owners are concerned about is the almighty dollar. They couldn't care less about justice for all. That's why they are blackballing Kaepernick, because some NFL viewers stopped tuning in because his actions made them angry.
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Post by crusader on Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:06 am

Many of my black friends are boycotting the NFL. The league could spiral and Vince McMahon's creation might come back to life like the Deadman himself!
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Post by Head Skin on Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:23 am

OSUBucks wrote:I have no problem with peaceful protest. Obviously the NFL does because all the fat cat owners are concerned about is the almighty dollar. They couldn't care less about justice for all. That's why they are blackballing Kaepernick, because some NFL viewers stopped tuning in because his actions made them angry.
One thing everyone conveniently overlooks with Kaepernick in trying to explain his unemployment is he was pretty God danged terrible last year. That, coupled with the protest, makes him untouchable. He wouldn't be cheap, he was really bad, and then there's the press portion. Why would you sign him?

I also enjoy that the unemployment was his choice. He had a deal with the 49er that would have had him under contract this year, but he renegotiated it last year so he could be a free agent this year.
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Post by OldTitan on Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:28 am

Kaepernick would not be a good back up. His skill set demand a different kind of offense.
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Post by SIFBCoach7 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:05 am

I also believe Kaepernick turned down an offer from Seattle for this season. (Or maybe it was last season?) At this point, he's a victim of his own choices. He's not good, but is asking for top dollar starter money. No one is going to pay him for that. Instead he'll continue to wear Fidel Castro shirts and be a back-up QB with no job.
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Post by OSUBucks on Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:50 pm

I don't care too much one way or another what kind of TShirt he wears. As far as I know he's never beaten a woman, been arrested for anything but he has shown to be very generous with his charitable giving. There were more than a few NFL QB's in 2016 that had a worse QB rating than Kaepernick and most of them are still in the league. I do agree with Head Skin that I would be fine if they did away with the National Anthem before the game.
I would like to see the protests continue just to see more NFL watchers get pissed off and the TV ratings continue to fall. Then I'd like to see the owners try to force all the players to stand for the anthem and see how that flies. The NFL sucks, I like the College game so much more.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/kaepernick-charity-work-putting-nfl-owners-disgraceful-light-article-1.3436250

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/2016-nfl-qb-power-rankings-final-edition-tom-brady-aaron-rogers-dak-prescott-drew-brees-cam-newton-010617
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Post by Teetime on Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:14 pm

Head Skin wrote:One thing everyone conveniently overlooks with Kaepernick in trying to explain his unemployment is he was pretty God danged terrible last year.


His salary would be big and it's a money driven league.

The reason everyone overlooks how bad he was in 2016 was because he wasn't that bad, at least if you go by stats.

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Post by OSUBucks on Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:03 pm

Teetime wrote:
Head Skin wrote:One thing everyone conveniently overlooks with Kaepernick in trying to explain his unemployment is he was pretty God danged terrible last year.


His salary would be big and it's a money driven league.

The reason everyone overlooks how bad he was in 2016 was because he wasn't that bad, at least if you go by stats.

Right, there are guys who are worse drawing paychecks in the league. You have a dark skinned man who engaged in this kneeling gesture to call attention to what he perceives are injustices in this country. It has pissed off a lot of white NFL viewers and TV ratings are going down. The owners have decided to blackball this malcontent to rid themselves of the problem.
Tee, do you think the reaction from the mostly white audience would be the same if the guy doing the kneeling was white? Our country has made a lot of progress in race relations. Jim Crow is a thing of the past and things have improved some since the Civil Rights era of the 60's. Bigotry is still among us though. I'd like to see more white players grow a pair and support their black teammates.
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Post by wolverine55 on Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:18 pm

I think the NFL is kidding itself if it thinks that the Kaepernick situation is the only reason ratings are down. Quite frankly, the quality of play in the league right now isn't very good.
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Post by OSUBucks on Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:38 pm

wolverine55 wrote:I think the NFL is kidding itself if it thinks that the Kaepernick situation is the only reason ratings are down.  Quite frankly, the quality of play in the league right now isn't very good.

It's not the only reason but one of the primary reasons. There was a fan reaction to how the Ray Rice situation was handled so the owners pressured Goddell to make an example of Zeke Elliott. Zeke was never prosecuted for lack of evidence. In fact there are witnesses who support Zeke's story, including one woman who said that the accuser asked her to lie for her. When Zeke is out having a good time he can be a chuckle head and he isn't familiar with the concept of keeping a low profile. The owners don't care if he's innocent or not, they want to improve their image.
I agree that the product isn't as good. Did you see the Bears Sunday? What a first half shit show. Razz


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Post by Teetime on Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:24 pm

OSUBucks wrote:Tee, do you think the reaction from the mostly white audience would be the same if the guy doing the kneeling was white? Our country has made a lot of progress in race relations. Jim Crow is a thing of the past and things have improved some since the Civil Rights era of the 60's. Bigotry is still among us though. I'd like to see more white players grow a pair and support their black teammates.

Agreed.

Really, things have improved a lot since the 60's. Haven't there been a couple of white players that have joined in? If not....they should be ashamed. I know the action (kneeling) doesn't change anything by itself, but it gets thinking people to consider the importance of the issue and non-thinking people talking about the issue and possibly learning that there is another point of view aside from their own.

That's something. Kapernick should be proud.

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Post by SIFBCoach7 on Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:32 am

[quote="OSUBucks"]I don't care too much one way or another what kind of TShirt he wears. As far as I know he's never beaten a woman, been arrested for anything but he has shown to be very generous with his charitable giving. There were more than a few NFL QB's in 2016 that had a worse QB rating than Kaepernick and most of them are still in the league. I do agree with Head Skin that I would be fine if they did away with the National Anthem before the game.
I would like to see the protests continue just to see more NFL watchers get pissed off and the TV ratings continue to fall. Then I'd like to see the owners try to force all the players to stand for the anthem and see how that flies. The NFL sucks, I like the College game so much more.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/kaepernick-charity-work-putting-nfl-owners-disgraceful-light-article-1.3436250

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/2016-nfl-qb-power-rankings-final-edition-tom-brady-aaron-rogers-dak-prescott-drew-brees-cam-newton-010617[/quote]

Wearing a shirt of one of the greatest oppressors and communists of our time, while speaking out against oppression seems ironic, at the least, and moronic also. I don't give 2 about Kaepernick, so it doesn't bother me, but most of his comments are just flat out wrong.
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Post by 4-4 stack on Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:49 am

My thoughts are if you don't want to stand for it, get out of sight and stay in the locker room. Yes its sports, but you can have a little respect for those people that died for the flag or are currently willing to die for the flag. It's not that difficult.

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Post by Ghengis Khan on Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:34 am

Aren't our soldiers fighting for the freedom of Americans?
To choose how we live our lives? Where we buy our homes? What we eat? What religion we partake in? What career we choose?
To make sure that we remain a free country where our citizens can protest peacefully if they perceive injustices?

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