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Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 9:39 am

Seems like he may need medical help.

I was around my mom for 11 years as she was afflicted with Alzheimer's. I think it's possible that the President may be in the early stages of this dreaded disease.

That, or he is the most ignorant human being ever elected to high office in the history of our country.


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Re: President Trump

Post by general maximus on Tue May 16, 2017 10:08 am

Teetime wrote:Seems like he may need medical help.

I was around my mom for 11 years as she was afflicted with Alzheimer's. I think it's possible that the President may be in the early stages of this dreaded disease.

That, or he is the most ignorant human being ever elected to high office in the history of our country.


Is that a "report" from one of the media outlets? I can see it now......CNN, WPost, BuzzFeed, NYTimes............."Unconfirmed reports from inside the Oval Office are leaking information about Trumps Medical records. His physical showed signs of Alzheimer's. The source was not identified because they were not authorized to speak about the President's medical exam."

The liberal media is never going to even give him a chance. Some of you may have said that before.

He may be the most ignorant human ever elected to high office in the history of our country..............and he still beat Hillary. It's not like we had better choices.

Tee, Sorry to hear about the illness that afflicted your mom. I am certain it was tough. I have seen it before in my family and it was truly heartbreaking.

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Post by ging on Tue May 16, 2017 10:16 am

general maximus wrote:
He may be the most ignorant human ever elected to high office in the history of our country..............and he still beat Hillary.  It's not like we had better choices.  

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Re: President Trump

Post by Head Skin on Tue May 16, 2017 10:21 am

ging wrote:
general maximus wrote:
He may be the most ignorant human ever elected to high office in the history of our country..............and he still beat Hillary.  It's not like we had better choices.  

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Agreed. This election was suspected habitual liar vs 20 year proven habitual liar. Or, translation, shit sandwich vs crap wrap.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 10:25 am

general maximus wrote:Is that a "report" from one of the media outlets?  I can see it now......CNN, WPost, BuzzFeed, NYTimes............."Unconfirmed reports from inside the Oval Office are leaking information about Trumps Medical records.  His physical showed signs of Alzheimer's.  The source was not identified because they were not authorized to speak about the President's medical exam."    

The liberal media is never going to even give him a chance.  Some of you may have said that before.

Not a media report....just my observation. He can't remember from one day to the next what his reasons are for doing things.

On the evening of 5/15 he sent out his National Security Adviser, the highly respected H.R. McMaster, to shoot down the story that he had leaked highly confidential information directly to the Russians inside the oval office. This morning he cut McMaster's legs off by tweeting that he had given that information to the Russians. He was proud of having done so.

He couldn't remember last evening, or he just doesn't give a damn about McMaster's reputation or his own?

I'd like to think he couldn't remember.

He did the same thing last week as he changed the story about the reason for firing FBI Director Comey. Each day was a different reason and the reputation of those defending the abandoned reasons was shredded.

The President deserves the treatment he is getting from the press...he has earned it. If Barack Obama had done exactly the things President Trump has done in his first four months, the press and the republicans would have strung him up by now.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Head Skin on Tue May 16, 2017 10:28 am

Teetime wrote:
general maximus wrote:Is that a "report" from one of the media outlets?  I can see it now......CNN, WPost, BuzzFeed, NYTimes............."Unconfirmed reports from inside the Oval Office are leaking information about Trumps Medical records.  His physical showed signs of Alzheimer's.  The source was not identified because they were not authorized to speak about the President's medical exam."    

The liberal media is never going to even give him a chance.  Some of you may have said that before.

Not a media report....just my observation. He can't remember from one day to the next what his reasons are for doing things.

On the evening of 5/15 he sent out his National Security Adviser, the highly respected H.R. McMaster, to shoot down the story that he had leaked highly confidential information directly to the Russians inside the oval office. This morning he cut McMaster's legs off by tweeting that he had given that information to the Russians. He was proud of having done so.

He couldn't remember last evening, or he just doesn't give a damn about McMaster's reputation or his own?

I'd like to think he couldn't remember.

He did the same thing last week as he changed the story about the reason for firing FBI Director Comey. Each day was a different reason and the reputation of those defending the abandoned reasons was shredded.

The President deserves the treatment he is getting from the press...he has earned it. If Barack Obama had done exactly the things President Trump has done in his first four months, the press and the republicans would have strung him up by now.
I don't disagree with anything you say except the bolded. Maybe the conservative press would have lost it, but for the mainstream press Obama could've shit on a plate on national TV and it would have been the greatest dump ever taken.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 10:32 am

Head Skin wrote:
ging wrote:
general maximus wrote:
He may be the most ignorant human ever elected to high office in the history of our country..............and he still beat Hillary.  It's not like we had better choices.  

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Agreed.  This election was suspected habitual liar vs 20 year proven habitual liar.  Or, translation, shit sandwich vs crap wrap.

I also agree. I couldn't vote for Mrs. Clinton as I have said here many times.

I'm proud that only 44% of Americans could see their way fit to vote for Mr. Trump. I think the 56% that couldn't vote for him will be as proud of that vote as I am.

But now we are talking about President Trump and his fitness to serve. Hillary Clinton is not a choice, that election is long gone. Time to get over that......and fend for the future of our country. That's the point of today's thread.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Head Skin on Tue May 16, 2017 10:41 am

I don't think there is a future of our country if both parties continue to throw up these kind of idiots. That's my point by referencing Hillary. Dems continue to act like she was a better choice. She was not.

Until people can get over that fact, on either side, there is no moving forward. Dems have done EVERYTHING in their power to undermine this presidency. Before it even started. And your average American is more than happy to follow whichever stupid ass party- Dem or Rep further down the rabbit hole of keeping them in power.
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Re: President Trump

Post by general maximus on Tue May 16, 2017 10:56 am

It was sarcastic about the press report.

There is not much mainstream conservative press to go after Obama. If they would have, they would have been shouted down by the liberal media. Their outcry would have been based in the "just give him a chance" Those same liberals are out there championing the cry of "don't give him a chance" now.

Fitness to serve is a pretty big accusation. Supposedly he is allegedly giving conflicting information about a firing, or "secrets" to Russia........based on what reports? The liberal media is controlling almost all we hear about what is supposedly going on.

Admittedly, I am very cynical of the media. They write the stories that will get them advertisements. If anyone thinks that either side of the media is out there for the good of the public, they are sadly mistaken. There are good folks out there, but the mass has a political agenda.

Heck, even Channel One (which is a news channel for kids in schools) is so anti-Trump and pro-liberal, my students can spot "fake news" a mile away.


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Re: President Trump

Post by wilky on Tue May 16, 2017 10:58 am

I did not vote for trump but I am happy he beat Clinton. As each day goes by I am less happy about everything. I am not sure what is more depressing, the fact I was so happy Clinton lost cause I thought she was that much more catastrophically worse than Trump, or the fact that I choose to be optimistic about trump (not in my nature) but am being constantly disappointed for trying to care.


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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 11:09 am

general maximus wrote:Fitness to serve is a pretty big accusation.  Supposedly he is allegedly giving conflicting information about a firing, or "secrets" to Russia........based on what reports?  The liberal media is controlling almost all we hear about what is supposedly going on.  


The conflicting information about the firing of FBI Director Comey were in briefings to the press by the White House communications office (Sean Spicer and Sarah Huckabee Sanders) vs. the interview of the President a day or two later. Do you think any of that was misreported? Was there any fake news in those press conferences or the interview?

The "code word classified" leak to the Russians inside the walls of the oval office was confirmed by the President of the United States on his twitter machine this morning. I'm not really sure there needs to be any further verification of the press reports after the President confirms the story.

Look, the press is certainly more liberal than conservative. I agree. That does not make them wrong.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Head Skin on Tue May 16, 2017 12:32 pm

Teetime wrote: That does not make them wrong.  
They're not wrong, but they're certainly very selective in what they report. I'm sure Obama, or Bush, or every president ever has shared classified information. The difference here is who they shared it with and who the media perceives to be our allies and who they perceive to be our enemies.

I don't seem to remember them freaking out so bad when Trump himself shared information with China a few weeks ago. But with Russia it fits their narrative they've been trying to paint of Trump and Russia since last summer.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 2:18 pm

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Teetime wrote: That does not make them wrong.  
They're not wrong, but they're certainly very selective in what they report.  I'm sure Obama, or Bush, or every president ever has shared classified information.  The difference here is who they shared it with and who the media perceives to be our allies and who they perceive to be our enemies.

I don't seem to remember them freaking out so bad when Trump himself shared information with China a few weeks ago.  But with Russia it fits their narrative they've been trying to paint of Trump and Russia since last summer.

What information was shared with China?

If you mean the 50 bombs we dropped, I don't think that was a secret. It wasn't from a source working for another country undercover inside a terrorist organization like this. It wasn't information shared  with us on the promise (or at least the premise) that we would not share it with enemies like this.

You think just the media views Russia as an enemy?

Here is a posting from the National Review online:

For Anyone but the President’s Eyes Only

You can support this president; you can even love him. But you can’t trust him.

What are we to make of last night’s Washington Post story, reporting that President Trump told Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov and ambassador Sergey Kislyak highly classified information, including a city in the Islamic State’s territory where a U.S. intelligence partner detected a terrorist threat involving laptops?

Let’s go through the possibilities. A lot of Trump fans will insist this is all “fake news,” that the story is made up out of whole cloth, and that none of these “U.S. official” sources exist. If so, it’s a remarkable conspiracy, as the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Reuters, CNN, and BuzzFeed all claim to have “U.S. officials” telling them the same thing.

Perhaps multiple U.S. officials are making up this story and calling up multiple reporters, telling them the same false tale. Again, this is a possibility, except we would assume that one or more reporters at those institutions would do some basic due diligence. Would this source be in a position to know? If the source is Irving Schmidlap, who works as a dishwasher at the White House Mess, would the reporters be more skeptical than if it was someone on the National Security Council?

Then there’s this detail:

After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency….

Thomas P. Bossert, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, placed calls to the directors of the CIA and the NSA, the services most directly involved in the intelligence-sharing arrangement with the partner.

If this is all a made-up story to damage Trump, then some senior White House officials are really going the extra mile, making calls to U.S. intelligence agencies to perpetuate the hoax.

Wait, there’s more! “The Post is withholding most plot details, including the name of the city, at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities.” If this is all a made-up story, why would U.S. officials urge the Post to withhold the name of the city?

Wait, there’s even more! This morning a phone call between President Trump and Jordan’s king Abdullah was added to the president’s schedule. Jordan’s got a heck of an intelligence service, and they’re a usually reliable U.S. ally. The Islamic State’s territory is just north of their country. How likely is it that this phone call is aimed to reassure that unidentified “U.S. ally” in the story?

Take a look at this detail:

“I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” the president said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.

Does that sound… farfetched? Is anyone jumping up and saying, “Oh, come now, that doesn’t sound anything like the Donald Trump I know?” Doesn’t boasting about the quality of the intelligence he receives sound exactly like the sort of thing Trump would do?

A lot of Trump fans are pointing to National-Security Adviser H.R. McMaster’s statement, “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.” But as you’ve no doubt heard argued since the story broke, the disclosure wasn’t really about “sources and methods.” The damaging disclosure was about that city, the location of the source — presumably a double agent or an ISIS turncoat — reporting to one of our allies. As the articles report, our ally didn’t give us permission to spread that information around, and this country was apparently already wary about sharing information with us. If this story is accurate, a few minutes of improvised boasting in the Oval Office just did serious damage to a relationship with a useful intelligence ally.

Keep in mind, last week Vice President Mike Pence, White House press secretary Sean Spicer, and the rest went out before the cameras and insisted that Ron Rosenstein’s memo was the driving force to fire FBI director James Comey… and then Trump told Lester Holt he was going to fire Comey “regardless of the recommendation.” Just last week, Trump declared on Twitter, “As a very active President with lots of things happening, it is not possible for my surrogates to stand at podium with perfect accuracy!” The president will insist his surrogates can’t be expected to get everything right, and then a few days later, insist that you trust denials from his surrogates. You can’t have it both ways.

This morning, President Trump offered two tweets on the subject: “As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining.... ...to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism.”

Again, no one who understands the law can dispute Trump’s “right to do” this; the question is the judgment and value in doing so. And missing from Trump’s comment are the words, “I did not share any location of any source or any other sensitive intelligence from our allies.”

Brian Wilson, who’s kind enough to have me co-host on WMAL some mornings, concludes the consequences of the leak must be moot by now: “I’m guessing bomb making info was tightly held info within ISIS. Any suspected snitch within its ranks has already been dealt with.”

Meanwhile, a Vice contributor screams, “an allied informant is likely being tortured to death as we speak, thanks ONLY to Trump’s big mouth.”

We don’t know if either of those scenarios are true. (There’s a good chance we will never know.) There were media reports quoting “U.S. officials” expressing concerns about ISIS and al-Qaeda testing laptop bombs for use on airplanes at the end of March. Maybe those reports spurred ISIS to start an intense search for a mole in their ranks, maybe they didn’t. (You would presume ISIS is always looking to sniff out moles in their ranks.) ISIS controls about 23,000 square miles, as of the end of 2016 — plenty of cities, towns, and villages. It’s just asinine to tell anyone who doesn’t need to know which city is home to an ISIS mole or double agent.

The bottom line is that there is absolutely no benefit to the United States to be sharing this kind of information with the Russian government — and if it alienates a friendly government helping us fight ISIS, then it is extraordinarily damaging.

It does not help that so many Democrats insist that every administration misstep is justification for impeachment, the Twitter hashtag “#Lockhimup” (the president has absolute authority to declassify information, so no law was broken) or the insane everyone’s-a-Russian-agent conspiracy theories of the Louise Mensches of the world. But the insanity of lefties doesn’t get this White House off the hook. Unless the entire story is made up out of whole cloth, Donald Trump still doesn’t understand his responsibilities.


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Re: President Trump

Post by SIFBCoach7 on Tue May 16, 2017 2:37 pm

My question is where is the leak coming from? I think that's the most concerning thing of the last 4 months of the Trump presidency. The fact that there are people willingly giving out info in hopes that it can topple Trump, is scary. Most people with common sense have simply ruled out the press as reliable or trustworthy due to to many stories that "cry wolf" about the smoking guns that were SURE to land Trump in jail/impeach/embarrass. But, still haven't. Doesn't mean they aren't going to keep looking for the next 42 months.

I almost can't stand to watch TV or get on Twitter anymore, since most of the sports-related follows I have now have joined the political venue in one form or another. Everyone has an opinion about Trump.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 3:17 pm

SIFBCoach7 wrote:Most people with common sense have simply ruled out the press as reliable or trustworthy due to to many stories that "cry wolf" about the smoking guns that were SURE to land Trump in jail/impeach/embarrass.  But, still haven't.


What stories have proven to be false about Mr. Trump?


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Re: President Trump

Post by Head Skin on Tue May 16, 2017 3:22 pm

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What information was shared with China?

If you mean the 50 bombs we dropped, I don't think that was a secret. It wasn't from a source working for another country undercover inside a terrorist organization like this. It wasn't information shared  with us on the promise (or at least the premise) that we would not share it with enemies like this.

You think just the media views Russia as an enemy?
The information he shared with them about North Korea.

I don't think the media is the only that does, or should view Russia as an enemy, but I also view China as an enemy and you haven't heard crap about us feeding them anything or about their hacking. The Obama administration took in the ass on the daily from China and never a peep. Russia and Trump though, that's a different story.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 3:34 pm

What information did the president share with China about North Korea?

Was any of it "code word classified"?

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Post by Head Skin on Tue May 16, 2017 3:48 pm

Teetime wrote:What information did the president share with China about North Korea?

Was any of it "code word classified"?
I don't know because no one felt the need to leak that or report upon it.

I just know that the Chinese president came to America singing one tune about N Korea and left singing another. I seriously doubt that he did that because of Trump's powers of persuasion alone.
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Re: President Trump

Post by ging on Tue May 16, 2017 3:52 pm

SIFBCoach7 wrote:
I almost can't stand to watch TV...

i'm with ya...that's why I come HERE for all of my political and current events news.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 3:54 pm

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Teetime wrote:What information did the president share with China about North Korea?

Was any of it "code word classified"?
I don't know because no one felt the need to leak that or report upon it.

I just know that the Chinese president came to America singing one tune about N Korea and left singing another.  I seriously doubt that he did that because of Trump's powers of persuasion alone.

There was one party in the Chinese/Trump meeting that changed their mind.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/economy/article/Trump-changes-his-mind-on-labeling-China-a-11069973.php

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Post by SIFBCoach7 on Tue May 16, 2017 3:57 pm

Teetime wrote:
SIFBCoach7 wrote:Most people with common sense have simply ruled out the press as reliable or trustworthy due to to many stories that "cry wolf" about the smoking guns that were SURE to land Trump in jail/impeach/embarrass.  But, still haven't.


What stories have proven to be false about Mr. Trump?


Here's one: "Muslim Ban". Are all muslims banned from entering the US? No.


What stories are proven to be true?

He's a loudmouth? Yes.
He's a braggard? Yes.
He Tweets stupid things? Yes.
He claims there's illegal votes? Yes.
Claims he'd win the popular if not for illegal votes? Yes.
He uses vulgar language? Yes.
He's power-hungry? Yes.
The Clintons gave 20% of our Uranium to Russia? Yes.
HRC committed multiple felonies with her server issues? Yes.
Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch and made a deal? Yes.


Trump's obviously not a charismatic person, or politician, and lacks a serious amount of tact. But people were tired of politicians and the proposal of an even less likeable Hillary Clinton in the white house. She lost to the worst candidate we likely have ever seen. So what does that make her? But, if anyone looks at the last 50 years of presidencies, and says that Trump is treated the same by the media and held to the same standard as every other president, they are just lying to themselves. People chose the loud-mouth idiot who could be a loose cannon over a corrupt, known liar who was terrible at her job. Elections have consequences, just like Obama said, and the unwillingness for the left to accept those consequences is hippocracy at its finest. I'm not a Trump fan, but in many voters eyes, his unknowns were more appealing than Mrs. Clinton's known faults. More than anything, I just fear the thought of what the nation is coming to. Most of us are around the same age (25-50ish) and have reached a point where I (personally) fear the country is teetering on the edge of a Civil war. Maybe that's hyperbole, or maybe just fearing for my kids' future? Garbage like Senators pouting and refusing to vote, or voting no on candidates that 12 months ago they confirmed, like Gorsuch. EVERYTHING now will be based on partylines, and not what's best for the country. There's no way anything Trump does will ever get passed through because our Houses will simply want to obstruct anything he does. I'm rambling, and this is why I shouldn't talk politics. Good day, sir.


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Re: President Trump

Post by ging on Tue May 16, 2017 4:12 pm

SIFBCoach7 wrote: Most of us are around the same age (25-50ish) and have reached a point where I (personally) fear the country is teetering on the edge of a Civil war.  

between who and who?
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Post by SIFBCoach7 on Tue May 16, 2017 4:25 pm

ging wrote:
SIFBCoach7 wrote: Most of us are around the same age (25-50ish) and have reached a point where I (personally) fear the country is teetering on the edge of a Civil war.  

between who and who?

Liberal/Conservative. Just look at the "protests" that are violent beatings and burnings.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Teetime on Tue May 16, 2017 5:44 pm

SIFBCoach7 wrote:
Teetime wrote:
SIFBCoach7 wrote:Most people with common sense have simply ruled out the press as reliable or trustworthy due to to many stories that "cry wolf" about the smoking guns that were SURE to land Trump in jail/impeach/embarrass.  But, still haven't.


What stories have proven to be false about Mr. Trump?


Here's one: "Muslim Ban".  Are all muslims banned from entering the US?  No.  


It is not an untrue news story that Donald J Trump proposed a Muslim ban. He did.

Here he is doing so.....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

Right now, there is no kind of ban on immigration by Muslims because the courts have not allowed it.

I think that has been pretty well covered by the media.


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