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Post by 4a(6afornet)north on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:09 pm

So you are saying it will only be a 7 team conference? LOL

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Post by tincup1215 on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:26 pm

It's been 10 years since the IHSA last implemented a major change (more classifications). They are due for another big change and it should be districts.
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Post by 25sparky on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:17 pm

4a(6afornet)north wrote:So you are saying it will only be a 7 team conference? LOL

Yep..lol

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Post by OldTitan on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:24 am

ging wrote:
tincup1215 wrote:If Sycamore is invited before/over Sterling... someone from Sterling must have really ticked off the other West schools.  Or they did get an invite and couldn't read it

challenge: i would like to hear the truth from someone regarding sterling being shunned by the new league.  
difficulty: without using the words "competitive balance", "geography", or "enrollment".

Sterling is 31-5 the last three years in 5a - no thanks.

There ya' go.
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Post by tincup1215 on Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:01 pm

OldTitan wrote:
ging wrote:
tincup1215 wrote:If Sycamore is invited before/over Sterling... someone from Sterling must have really ticked off the other West schools.  Or they did get an invite and couldn't read it

challenge: i would like to hear the truth from someone regarding sterling being shunned by the new league.  
difficulty: without using the words "competitive balance", "geography", or "enrollment".

Sterling is 31-5 the last three years in 5a - no thanks.

There ya' go.

But how is that any different than what Geneseo had done in spurts the previous 30 years in the NCIC and NIBXII? They won 34 games in a 3 year span from 14-16
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Post by Teetime on Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:02 pm

tincup1215 wrote:But how is that any different than what Geneseo had done in spurts the previous 30 years in the NCIC and NIBXII?  They won 34 games in a 3 year span from 14-16


The difference is that because of their shifting enrollment numbers Sterling High would undoubtedly upset the the competitive balance and the geographic contiguancy of the new conference.

Get with it.

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Post by Head Idiot on Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:33 pm

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SIFBCoach7 wrote:I get that schools don't like to be "told" who they are going to play, but there aren't a ton of true rivalries left anymore.  The exception might be deep south schools in the SIRR (at least at <4A level).  Heck, even the SJO/Unity rivalry has softened in the last decade.  When I was in HS, there were fights between the XC teams during the FB game over stolen pirate flags.  It's just not as intense anymore.  With social media, kids from opposing schools are all "friends" and instagram/Twitter followers.  

Mainly, from my neck of the woods, when this proposal first came about, there was a lot of griping from SE IL 3A schools who didn't want to be in a district with SJO, Unity, Monticello, etc when they were currently playing LIC schools and going 8-1.  In my time, we never shied away from scheduling anyone, so I don't get that mindset of "scheduling" your way into the playoffs.  You either belong there, or you get exposed.  The district format would take most of the autonomy from schools scheduling which they won't like, but it would create stability and eliminate conference jumping.  You can still have conferences, but you might not have them for football unless they all fit into your geographic district.  
The bolded is 100% true and absolutely confusing to me.

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Post by crusader on Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:33 pm

Maybe because we shared a field with two other teams and played many Saturday afternoon games, but we attended nearby schools' games and they attended ours. No social media but we all "knew" each other.

There were some "puffed chests" at times and a few fights, but for the most part, we all got along - East, West, Althoff, East Side, O'Fallon, Mascoutah ... we'd shake hands or share beers.
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Post by tincup1215 on Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:39 pm

Just saw on Twitter, Sycamore is joining the castoffs I8 conference
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Post by tincup1215 on Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:43 pm

tincup1215 wrote:Just saw on Twitter, Sycamore is joining the castoffs I8 conference

May not be official though. Just a tweet from Dekalb Football that if Sycamore leaves, then the First National Bank Challenge will continue for 1 more year. Odd timing of the tweet since there's nothing out there officially
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Post by 4a(6afornet)north on Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:41 pm

So it's the NIB XII(-2)(-4)=NIB VI(+2)

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Post by general maximus on Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:05 pm

4a(6afornet)north wrote:So it's the NIB XII(-2)(-4)=NIB VI(+2)

Just because it is Pi day, doesn't mean you need to be spouting off a bunch of math formulas!

We prefer lists of who is in what conference. Easier for someone to read it to the Sterling people.

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Post by 4a(6afornet)north on Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:09 pm

general maximus wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:So it's the NIB XII(-2)(-4)=NIB VI(+2)

Just because it is Pi day, doesn't mean you need to be spouting off a bunch of math formulas!  

We prefer lists of who is in what conference.  Easier for someone to read it to the Sterling people.  


LOL.....So basically the former NIB schools that are north of I 80 and east of I 39 are out.....the Northern Illinois Big 4

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Post by ging on Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:37 pm

4a(6afornet)north wrote:
general maximus wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:So it's the NIB XII(-2)(-4)=NIB VI(+2)

Just because it is Pi day, doesn't mean you need to be spouting off a bunch of math formulas!  

We prefer lists of who is in what conference.  Easier for someone to read it to the Sterling people.  


LOL.....So basically the former NIB schools that are north of I 80 and east of I 39 are out.....the Northern Illinois Big 4

appears that way.

it's disappointing that at least a few conference "partners" that sterling had been with for decades didn't support their inclusion in the new league.
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Post by tincup1215 on Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:21 pm

Yep it's official, not voted in yet, but why else extend the invitation

http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2018/03/14/sycamore-to-join-new-look-interstate-8/d7470eo/
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Post by 4a(6afornet)north on Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:53 pm

ging wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:
general maximus wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:So it's the NIB XII(-2)(-4)=NIB VI(+2)

Just because it is Pi day, doesn't mean you need to be spouting off a bunch of math formulas!  

We prefer lists of who is in what conference.  Easier for someone to read it to the Sterling people.  


LOL.....So basically the former NIB schools that are north of I 80 and east of I 39 are out.....the Northern Illinois Big 4

appears that way.

it's disappointing that at least a few conference "partners" that sterling had been with for decades didn't support their inclusion in the new league.  



I don't get it at all.....wouldn't it of been easier to just ask Dekalb and Yorkville to leave and let the rest stay?? That's basically what this is all about.

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Post by tincup1215 on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:10 pm

Invite Kaneland and Sterling and have a 10 team closed conference. No more trying to find non-con opponents.
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Post by ging on Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:39 am

...or just wait a couple years and, inevitably, there will be more conference break-ups and shake ups.
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Post by Head Idiot on Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:36 am

4a(6afornet)north wrote:
ging wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:
general maximus wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:So it's the NIB XII(-2)(-4)=NIB VI(+2)

Just because it is Pi day, doesn't mean you need to be spouting off a bunch of math formulas!  

We prefer lists of who is in what conference.  Easier for someone to read it to the Sterling people.  


LOL.....So basically the former NIB schools that are north of I 80 and east of I 39 are out.....the Northern Illinois Big 4

appears that way.

it's disappointing that at least a few conference "partners" that sterling had been with for decades didn't support their inclusion in the new league.  



I don't get it at all.....wouldn't it of been easier to just ask Dekalb and Yorkville to leave and let the rest stay?? That's basically what this is all about.
From what I understand about the LOVC break up is that in most conferences you need a unanimous vote to boot a team out- minus that team of course. When wanting to kick multiple teams out it would require you to get a vote from one of the other teams you want to boot. So, it becomes easier to just "leave" the conference and form a new one.

At least that is how it was told to me.
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Post by 4a(6afornet)north on Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:56 am

ging wrote:...or just wait a couple years and, inevitably, there will be more conference break-ups and shake ups.  

agreed......unless the IHSA does one of two things....districts or just let all schools in playoffs like the other sports.


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Post by 4a(6afornet)north on Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:07 pm

Head Skin wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:
ging wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:
general maximus wrote:
4a(6afornet)north wrote:So it's the NIB XII(-2)(-4)=NIB VI(+2)

Just because it is Pi day, doesn't mean you need to be spouting off a bunch of math formulas!  

We prefer lists of who is in what conference.  Easier for someone to read it to the Sterling people.  


LOL.....So basically the former NIB schools that are north of I 80 and east of I 39 are out.....the Northern Illinois Big 4

appears that way.

it's disappointing that at least a few conference "partners" that sterling had been with for decades didn't support their inclusion in the new league.  



I don't get it at all.....wouldn't it of been easier to just ask Dekalb and Yorkville to leave and let the rest stay?? That's basically what this is all about.
From what I understand about the LOVC break up is that in most conferences you need a unanimous vote to boot a team out- minus that team of course.  When wanting to kick multiple teams out it would require you to get a vote from one of the other teams you want to boot.  So, it becomes easier to just "leave" the conference and form a new one.

At least that is how it was told to me.


I understand that.I'm just surprised that they (schools besides Dekalb and Yorkville) just didnt leave conference and form a new one without those 2.Don't know why Sterling,Sycamore and Kaneland were not invited to begin with.

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Post by wilky on Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:08 am

tincup1215 wrote:Invite Kaneland and Sterling and have a 10 team closed conference.  No more trying to find non-con opponents.  

I like this and would be all in favor of it. get a true conference champ and have some really battle tested teams come playoffs and not just for football.

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Post by ging on Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:29 am

wilky wrote:
tincup1215 wrote:Invite Kaneland and Sterling and have a 10 team closed conference.  No more trying to find non-con opponents.  

I like this and would be all in favor of it. get a true conference champ and have some really battle tested teams come playoffs and not just for football.

agreed...but i don't think plano or sandwich want that.
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Post by 4a(6afornet)north on Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:34 am

ging wrote:
wilky wrote:
tincup1215 wrote:Invite Kaneland and Sterling and have a 10 team closed conference.  No more trying to find non-con opponents.  

I like this and would be all in favor of it. get a true conference champ and have some really battle tested teams come playoffs and not just for football.

agreed...but i don't think plano or sandwich want that.

Maybe they can do what they did about 35 years ago or so and become "Planwich"

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Post by tincup1215 on Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:37 am

ging wrote:
wilky wrote:
tincup1215 wrote:Invite Kaneland and Sterling and have a 10 team closed conference.  No more trying to find non-con opponents.  

I like this and would be all in favor of it. get a true conference champ and have some really battle tested teams come playoffs and not just for football.

agreed...but i don't think plano or sandwich want that.

So let's cater to the 2 schools who have had no conference affiliation with any of the current 6 and leave Kaneland and Sterling out in the dust who have had a combined 120 years of conference partnership with the 6 schools.
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